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JKR vs Police Scotland?

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IcakethereforeIam · 10/03/2024 22:02

Tras are trying to get JKR arrested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime/

https://archive.ph/5TEU4 highland fling yourself over the paywall, cos Scottish!

Thought to give IW a break.

The Hate Crime...crime(?) comes into force on 1st April, according to the article. The SNP has not engaged with any of the organisations who have expressed concerns and no-one knows what, if any, training the Police have been given.

Trans activists urge Scottish police to arrest JK Rowling over ‘misgendering hate crime’

Northumbria Police last week dismissed a complaint against the author over calling India Willoughby, a transgender TV personality, a male

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime

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WallaceinAnderland · 21/03/2024 23:41

Disinformation being spread about Hate Crime Act, First Minister claims

He [Humza Yousaf] added that the freedom to criticise, insult and offend “exists and should be treasured”, while he added that he had “full confidence” in police to look beyond “vexatious” claims.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/disinformation-being-spread-about-hate-crime-act-first-minister-claims/ar-BB1khUkZ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f57c469c83484377affa39db7a1b590a&ei=12

Well now I'm really confused Hmm

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/disinformation-being-spread-about-hate-crime-act-first-minister-claims/ar-BB1khUkZ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f57c469c83484377affa39db7a1b590a&ei=12

DrBlackbird · 21/03/2024 23:47

WallaceinAnderland · 21/03/2024 20:14

So it hinges on a 'reasonable person'.

Who decides that?

Eh GIF by Dodo Australia

If only any still existed.

Alas the reasonable person is going (has already gone?) the way of the dodo.

Datun · 22/03/2024 01:13

WallaceinAnderland · 21/03/2024 23:41

Disinformation being spread about Hate Crime Act, First Minister claims

He [Humza Yousaf] added that the freedom to criticise, insult and offend “exists and should be treasured”, while he added that he had “full confidence” in police to look beyond “vexatious” claims.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/disinformation-being-spread-about-hate-crime-act-first-minister-claims/ar-BB1khUkZ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f57c469c83484377affa39db7a1b590a&ei=12

Well now I'm really confused Hmm

I don't blame you!

'A person commits an offence if—

(a)the person—

(i)behaves in a manner that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening, abusive or insulting, or

"Insulting"

He [Humza Yousaf] added that the freedom to criticise, insult and offend “exists and should be treasured

Ah Schrödinger's insult! Is it a hate crime, or is it a treasured freedom?

Absolute muppets 😁

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2024 06:39

WallaceinAnderland · 21/03/2024 23:41

Disinformation being spread about Hate Crime Act, First Minister claims

He [Humza Yousaf] added that the freedom to criticise, insult and offend “exists and should be treasured”, while he added that he had “full confidence” in police to look beyond “vexatious” claims.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/disinformation-being-spread-about-hate-crime-act-first-minister-claims/ar-BB1khUkZ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f57c469c83484377affa39db7a1b590a&ei=12

Well now I'm really confused Hmm

Not least because the article seems to have random copy pasted sentence fragments in the middle!

I hope that the police do apply the act reasonably.

I also think that someone needs to investigate and quantify the chilling effect on Scottish society.

SidewaysOtter · 22/03/2024 06:41

The bit that gets me is the “insulting” part. When did being insulted become a hate crime? If someone says they don’t like my shoes I might feel insulted but I’m not going to trot off to the local police station and make a complaint.

And a reasonable person might agree that “I don’t like your shoes, they don’t suit you” is indeed an insult - hence fulfilling the test criteria - but it’s still not a police matter!

SinnerBoy · 22/03/2024 07:30

WallaceinAnderland · Yesterday 11:55

https://twitter.com/LAWS_28/status/1770410774646739380

That chap is quite .... interesting! But he allows comments, such as this excellent one:

Jennifer @babybeginner

It will be a hate crime to call any of us cisgender or cis. That’s misgendering. Misgendering is a hate crime. We are all transgender now. We all identify as it. You can’t question our identity. We can report it anonymously.

You can’t call us bigots. That’s transphobia to call a trans person any kind of slurs. We can report it anonymously.

You can’t call us transphobic. We are trans. We can report you for threatening to report us. That is harassment of trans people.

You think you’re the only ones who can report people anonymously? Thanks for the link.

https://twitter.com/LAWS_28/status/1770410774646739380

SinnerBoy · 22/03/2024 07:35

It really is ironic that these cry bullies don't seem to have understood the premise of the Harry Potter stories, which is being bullied and overcoming that with intelligence and dignity.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2024 07:45

SidewaysOtter · 22/03/2024 06:41

The bit that gets me is the “insulting” part. When did being insulted become a hate crime? If someone says they don’t like my shoes I might feel insulted but I’m not going to trot off to the local police station and make a complaint.

And a reasonable person might agree that “I don’t like your shoes, they don’t suit you” is indeed an insult - hence fulfilling the test criteria - but it’s still not a police matter!

It only counts if the person the alleged insult is directed at is one of a group with protected characteristics. Effectively I suppose it means you can't insult people who have an age.

lechiffre55 · 22/03/2024 08:49

WallaceinAnderland · 21/03/2024 23:10

What is the racial equivalent of correctly sexing someone?

I have no idea.

If we're talking about protected characteristics then I suppose it would be like an able bodied person identifying as disabled who wants to take part in the para olympics and people pointing out that they don't actually have that disability?

Or an entire team of them.
Sorry I love to post this every chance I get, and I'm not missing the opportunity now.
It's my go to response to the "People would never do that/stoop so low." argument. It's a monumental example of "Yes they do. Here's evidence of people stooping unimaginably low to win, and utterly ignoring the consequences for the people they cheated."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2459172/Spanish-basketball-team-pretended-disabled-win-Paralympic-gold-guilty-fraud.html

Spain basketball team pretended to be disabled to win Paralympic gold

The former head of the Spanish Federation for Mentally Handicapped Sports, Fernando Martin Vicente, has been found guilty of fraud over the scandal at the Sydney Olympics.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2459172/Spanish-basketball-team-pretended-disabled-win-Paralympic-gold-guilty-fraud.html

DrBlackbird · 22/03/2024 09:23

SinnerBoy · 22/03/2024 07:30

WallaceinAnderland · Yesterday 11:55

https://twitter.com/LAWS_28/status/1770410774646739380

That chap is quite .... interesting! But he allows comments, such as this excellent one:

Jennifer @babybeginner

It will be a hate crime to call any of us cisgender or cis. That’s misgendering. Misgendering is a hate crime. We are all transgender now. We all identify as it. You can’t question our identity. We can report it anonymously.

You can’t call us bigots. That’s transphobia to call a trans person any kind of slurs. We can report it anonymously.

You can’t call us transphobic. We are trans. We can report you for threatening to report us. That is harassment of trans people.

You think you’re the only ones who can report people anonymously? Thanks for the link.

The name of that x account is interesting…

Does that mean the rest of us of the messy biological women kind are not ‘actual women’? We must be the non-men kind.

But that response is brilliant. If only women did things like report anonymously but alas it seems it’s mostly the Actual Women™️ who like to do that.

SinnerBoy · 22/03/2024 09:31

The name of that x account is interesting…

Just entirely. I made a few scathing posts, pointing out that he's not any kind of woman.

littlbrowndog · 22/03/2024 10:08

I do like this from penny mordaunt below - hurty words

Deidre Brock accused Mordaunt of repeatedly ignoring the SNP’s questions. This is easier than acknowledging the roasting she gets from the Leader of the Commons every Thursday without fail. Mordaunt’s weekly annihilations of the SNP aren’t so much casting for salmon on the Spey as a regular Glencoe massacre of fish in barrels.
Yesterday Mordaunt was busy sending up the SNP’s draconian new hate-crime laws, which give the police sweeping new powers to clamp down on hurty words. She identified a “persistent hostility” in Brock’s remarks. “I’m getting the impression the Honourable Lady does not like me, perhaps even hates me… I feel very intimidated, upset and deeply, deeply hurt.” She would, in due course, be filling out a “hate-related report form” should Brock or any of her colleagues be similarly mean again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 10:15

I don't like Mordaunt, but she's correctly seen the way the wind blows with the idea of "hate crime" being ramped up further as in Scotland.

Froodwithatowel · 22/03/2024 10:41

SinnerBoy · 22/03/2024 07:35

It really is ironic that these cry bullies don't seem to have understood the premise of the Harry Potter stories, which is being bullied and overcoming that with intelligence and dignity.

Quite.

Riddikulus.

And laughter will finish them. The SNP have really blown it, they will never be taken seriously again.

RethinkingLife · 22/03/2024 10:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 10:15

I don't like Mordaunt, but she's correctly seen the way the wind blows with the idea of "hate crime" being ramped up further as in Scotland.

I've no doubt that Mordaunt would eventually endorse the same. She's shown by her previous words and actions that she would introduce self-ID and betray women in the blink of an eye. Mordaunt was a substantial architect of self-ID under Theresa May's GRA reform.

Mordaunt is firmly TWAW and TMAM.

Your favourite search engine and mumsnet trans mordaunt would deliver a sample for anyone not familiar with Mordaunt's history.

Froodwithatowel · 22/03/2024 10:48

To add:

the logical and obvious outcome of this, should it actually happen as opposed to end up in total farce and be laughed out of existence before it happens.... is that obviously people will avoid, like mad, having to take the risk of being around or interacting with those from groups known to be hovering with one finger on the fast dial report button, with a very distorted view of their own entitlements and realities and a very low capacity to cope with other people. It will be the main defense of the general public; to just stay the hell out of Dodge.

As India Willoughby commented, some years ago, the reputation has already been spreading, which Willoughby attributed in their words to some of the madder elements in the TQ+ political movement, that this is a community who can be hard work, high risk and more trouble than is worth it, resulting in Willoughby reporting their direct observation of employment opportunities dropping.

And as we see on this board constantly, and on X, and at rallies however, there is nothing more than some of the most vocal, verbally aggressive and reality-optional activists appear to find harder than women not being present and giving them attention. I'm not sure this is going anywhere sunny and glittery for anyone.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 10:52

I know what Mordaunt is like but she's still a Tory and knows her audience, I don't believe they have as much of a hard on for "hate crime" in the same way as more left wing parties do.

WallaceinAnderland · 22/03/2024 11:20
Oh My God Omg GIF by CBC

This law seems impossible to define or police. It will probably either come to nothing at all, or there will be mass vexatious reporting. Who knows. Once the hate monster is unleashed, they may be no controlling it.

littlbrowndog · 22/03/2024 11:26

Yeah agree about mordaunt. She is for sure TWAW and TMEN are men

just might enjoy her reporting the SNP For hurty words

RethinkingLife · 22/03/2024 11:35

WallaceinAnderland · 22/03/2024 11:20

This law seems impossible to define or police. It will probably either come to nothing at all, or there will be mass vexatious reporting. Who knows. Once the hate monster is unleashed, they may be no controlling it.

Jason Blum GIF by The Forever Purge

Logical next step?

Froodwithatowel · 22/03/2024 12:41

The SNP also seem to have had their collective heads in a bucket about what's happened in recent history in the UK when a government tried not only refusing to discuss but actively trying to prevent via shame and punishment the populace from being able to tell them about things they disagreed with or had problems with, on the grounds of liberal RightThinkNaicePeople being offended by such thoughts? Gordon Brown calling that woman a bigot for discussing immigration for example? The entire Brexit disaster?

Did it make the unwashed think better Naice Thoughts? Or did the populace get seriously pissed off with them and rise up in ways that those stuck in the RightThink bucket seemed incapable of anticipating?

This will not end well in particular for the groups they claim to be so very loving of. A child could see the issues ahead, it is irresponsibly stupid.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/03/2024 13:45

WallaceinAnderland · 21/03/2024 20:14

So it hinges on a 'reasonable person'.

Who decides that?

The old legal test of a reasonable person was The Man on the Clapham Omnibus, I think the new reasonable person for the purposes of this Act would be The Man in the Morningside Vegan Cafe. 😬

BezMills · 22/03/2024 17:37

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/03/2024 13:45

The old legal test of a reasonable person was The Man on the Clapham Omnibus, I think the new reasonable person for the purposes of this Act would be The Man in the Morningside Vegan Cafe. 😬

The man in the Morningside vegan café (is a massive goit)

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/03/2024 17:56

BezMills · 22/03/2024 17:37

The man in the Morningside vegan café (is a massive goit)

The original Goit Man salutes you 😬

Rimmer's Salutes (HQ)

https://youtu.be/jabISZCmhs0?feature=shared

Fruityful · 22/03/2024 18:29

yetanotherusernameAgain · 11/03/2024 00:16

Has IW thought this through? The law (if it does apply to this situation) won't just apply to JKR, it will apply to everyone in Scotland. If enough people have a "I am Spartacus" moment and tweet the prohibited assertion, Police Scotland could become paralysed with tens of thousands of hate crimes to investigate. Plus it would be the Streisand Effect for IW, drawing attention to something IW doesn't want people to acknowledge.

That Telegraph article had over 800 comments a while ago. IW is becoming known to more people on the back of this. And they're not sympathetic to IW.

Now I have a mental image of a big protest march of people through Glasgow with everybody singing: "If a woman has a willy she's a man...🎶"

I mean, when I say India Willoughby is a man, is Scotland going to try and extradite me? I'd better start warming up my singing voice... "He can tuck it to conceal it / Let it dangle and reveal it / But if a woman has a penis she's a man."

Banned song in Scotland when?

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