JKR vs Police Scotland?

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Tras are trying to get JKR arrested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime/

https://archive.ph/5TEU4 highland fling yourself over the paywall, cos Scottish!

Thought to give IW a break.

The Hate Crime...crime(?) comes into force on 1st April, according to the article. The SNP has not engaged with any of the organisations who have expressed concerns and no-one knows what, if any, training the Police have been given.

Gloucester Services are owned by the same people as Tebay Services, aren't they? Championing local produce.

And Booths are just the best supermarkets. Such a nice experience shopping there.

Cranstons are fab too, butchers and makers in north Cumbria. Amazing sausages and pies.

Tebay do the best everything. Booths have small supermarkets that feel more like a farm shop.

Jüst practising for my police station debut

We're going on a hate crime hunt? I'm going to dob someone in for mispronouncing 'scone'. Throwing 'scoon' into the mix could have the Scottish courts tied up for months.

I love Booths. We always go in for nice things when we're down there on holiday. They had a genius thing last time- it was a cake box but instead of one cake, cut into slices, each quarter was a different set of slices of cake. 4 quarters - 1 was Victoria Sponge, 1 was Toffee, 1 was Red Velvet, and 1 was chocolate.

The Tory lawyer may well be right (IANAL) and MBM wrong, but the problem will be the police. The interviews at the cop shop which are neither under caution nor voluntary. The vaguely threatening emails, the turning up on your doorstep for a chat, the pressure to accept a caution or whatever, the stretching out of the process.

And I cannot believe that even 24% of TwiX-ers thought JK Rowling had offered "abuse" to IW.

Gloucester Services are owned by the same people as Tebay Services, aren't they? Championing local produce.

If you carry on up the M6 into Scotland, there's another in their group, Cairn Lodge.

Can I make the case for a lemon drizzle/Victoria sponge hybrid, with lemon curd and clotted cream in the middle? Even nicer if you infuse the drizzle with some thyme.

And when are you delivering mine?

If they hadn’t intended for correctly sexing someone to be prosecutable under this law then surely that could have been clearly stated in drafting. They left it vague on purpose so that people are afraid to engage in lawful speech. I’d be prepared to put money on someone being arrested for “misgendering” within a week of April 1st.

If JK (correctly) calling Windy a man is classed as a “non-crime hate incident” before 1st April, then presumably after 1st April it will be a “criminal hate incident”?

And what happens if you stand on the border and insult someone, do England and Wales have an extradition treaty with Scotland now?

As for claims that “freedom of speech” will be protected…well, we’ve all seen what happens to women who take photos of stickers or whatever. It only takes one over zealous officer, who has been on the “Let’s take a fictional character called Jo who believes sex is binary” training, and freedom of speech will count for bugger all.

That sounds like . . . NIRVANA

^^

<pricks ears>

Thyme, you say . . . . ?

It works really well with lemon, in fact you can buy lemon thyme, and you soak a few sprigs in the drizzle. Strain the drizzle before use, else there might be bits.

Or you can make thyme sugar by sticking the thyme in the sugar you’re going to use for the cake and leaving it for a while. Or both, if you really like thyme!

23.8 % of people didn't do any research

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Must admit I don't get why the term LGBT community (or world) is ever used.

Does anyone really think that Ls and Bs want to be in a community with Ts (specifically TRAs).

The term is nonsense.

On Stephen Fry, don't know his involvement - if any - in this debate but have seen videos of him vigorously (and humorously) defending free speech. So think he is one of the good guys.

Can I make the case for a lemon drizzle/Victoria sponge hybrid, with lemon curd and clotted cream in the middle? Even nicer if you infuse the drizzle with some thyme

I make this cake but not with the thyme. I put raspberries in it and on top.

I think Stephen has a good grasp on reality.

If JK (correctly) calling Windy a man is classed as a “non-crime hate incident” before 1st April, then presumably after 1st April it will be a “criminal hate incident”?

I don't think so because you still need there to be an actual crime.

It's not too late for Police Scotland to claim haha, it, er, has all been an elaborate hoax, haha, and we, er, we got ya! Yep, haha, April Fools 😜😳

Lots of people are writing about this new law always to critcise it, I enjoyed this article

https://thecritic.co.uk/police-scotland-must-stop-patronising-the-public/

Wtf is 'hate crime, hate crime'? Punctuated like that it reads like a football chant.

Has anyone found an article that supports it?

This is incorrect.

'Stirring up hatred' is a criminal offence punishable by prison/fine.

This is a new, additional offence. The existing 'hate crime' as an aggravator is also in there.

There are no specific descriptions of what constitutes the offence, it rests on 'a reasonable person' finding it insulting/malicious.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5032028-scottish-hate-crime-bill-information-and-resources

Ah, it's 'threatening, abusive or insulting'

'A person commits an offence if—

(a)the person—

(i)behaves in a manner that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening, abusive or insulting, or

(ii)communicates to another person material that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening, abusive or insulting'

(related to the protected characteristics:

(a)age,

(b)disability,

(c)religion or, in the case of a social or cultural group, perceived religious affiliation,

(d)sexual orientation,

(e)transgender identity,

(f)variations in sex characteristics.'

There are protections for freedom of speech, but these are in the legislation and would come up in court. They're not in the police guidance.