Anyone work for one of the big 4 consultancies who celebrated international women's day with a man taking about coming out as transgender?

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I generally don't care to get that stressed about the transgender issue BUT this flabbergasted me. I actually found myself saying to the screen out load 'oh you have to be kidding!'

On what planet is that right!!! Can't say a word at work as it is very US centric and obviously they think that's fine.

You made some fairly personal comments to one of those posters as I recall.

It was very much a two-way street on that thread.

Talking about it isn't banned.

MNHQ just don't allow personal attacks and troll hunting.

*You made some fairly personal comments to one of those posters as I recall.

It was very much a two-way street on that thread.*

Such as?

It really wasn't.

Flickersy It really wasn't

As I recall (and summarising), calling those posters stupid / foolish / naive and making barbed comments about their parenting and children's safety.

I'm not suggesting we ignore that fact, but just that the core issue is that by pretending gender stereotypes or accepting in law the reactionary and regressive claim that gender constructs are innate, essential and immutable we are smashing to pieces not only scientific fact as a basis of law, but the entire premise that women's rights and equalities have been founded upon. Thereby opening the floodgates for a return to terrifying subjugation of women and girls (and little hope of progress to liberate women from oppressive regimes in other countries).

Yes I absolutely agree with that, but I also want to be able to say why I don't want them in women's spaces here in this country, which isn't about identity labels, it's about their male sex. I also want to educate more naive posters on the reality of what's being demanded.

Well one of the personal attacks against one of those two posters which I did report was (again, summarising from the quote in the email about the report since I won't repeat it word for word) "Yuk, a mother who is too thick to protect her daughter".

And that's just one of them.

But sure, it wasn't a two way street.

Did you post on the thread yourself @Flickersy? I didn't see you but might have missed.

I didn't, I was reading it but didn't get a chance to.

I wasn’t specifically meaning mumsnet.
In general the preaching of Stonewall and those who buy into it has silenced women.
Even my local fb womens group is too frightened to have any sort of post that so much as touches on any the issues involved.

As I recall (and summarising), calling those posters stupid / foolish / naive and making barbed comments about their parenting and children's safety.

I'll correct you - I said generally I find it astonishing that there are grown adults walking about thinking gender is assigned by a doctor at birth and is biology not taught in schools anymore. It wasn't directed to any particular poster. More a musing.

I didn't make any mention, or barbed comments as you state, about parenting and child safety. At all. Maybe check your facts (the irony given that whole thread).

It wasn't directed to any particular poster. More a musing

Of course not.

Calling people "naive" is a bit of a weak "personal attack", no? How fragile, in a way that isn't observed on any other topic.

Not if it's part of a litany of other insults.

Vexatious reporting of gender critical posters has always been an issue here, there have even been magazine articles where people have boasted about it. I imagine MNHQ were bombarded when people needed to finish for the night.

For the record I do think that anyone who denies biological reality and can't see how trans ideology presents safeguarding issues, can't see the problems it creates in prisons, sports, rape crisis centres to name a few, for women and children are pretty stupid. That's just my opinion.

Not big 4, but big tech co. We have a woman (a real one) coming in to talk to us next week (couldn’t fit it in yesterday 🙄) about inclusion.

just saw the intro comms not one single mention of “woman” or “women”.

I will be making a noise.

People need to make their feelings heard any way they can. Anonymous staff surveys can be good for this.

Posters on that thread were responding to one of the ‘beyond’ posters saying she was glad she didn’t know anyone in real life who thought like the other posters and that they weren’t near her children. A lot of the responses, not all but it’s hard to remember precisely, were pointing out the disadvantages to her children / daughters.

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I think the way the discussions tend to turn to women's fear of there being predatory, violent males among transwomen is in fact counterproductive.

It's not just counterproductive, it's often due to deliberate strawmanning by the TRA side. Been seeing it a lot in German Self-ID discussions this past year. Proponents of Self-ID reduce women's objections to concerns about safety which they then triumphantly proceed to dismantle. Never mind women's right to privacy and dignity in communal showers and changing rooms. Never mind OUR right to define our own identity and not be reduced to fluffy pink ladybrain. Never mind the fact that replacing sex as a legal category with gender identity also drives a coach and horses through the government's constitutionally mandated obligation to work towards real equality of women.

Even my local fb womens group is too frightened to have any sort of post that so much as touches on any the issues involved.

I completely understand that.

And being silent about it doesn't stop it happening.

https://giphy.com/gifs/angry-mad-men-burn-this-place-down-l41m2aEgQwiYNQOIw

If someone's going "eww, how thick are you" or outright calling someone a troll, it's not exactly vexatious reporting. It's kind of MN 101 - don't insult other posters and don't troll hunt.

It's interesting how some people seem to think flouting the rules should be ignored for the right people with the right views, and if they get deleted then obviously they're the wronged party.

I wasn't referring to any specific post, @Flickersy. Just making a general comment. I expect some deletions were justified.

One day to celebrate women. ONE BLOODY DAY. And it gets hijacked by the “stunning and brave” crew and their supporters.

I am absolutely sick of it. Sick to the back teeth.

Proponents of Self-ID reduce women's objections to concerns about safety which they then triumphantly proceed to dismantle. Never mind women's right to privacy and dignity in communal showers and changing rooms.

I do agree with this and have always tried to challenge this narrative. It's harder to argue that women don't deserve privacy and dignity, because then it's clear that women don't matter and male feelings are more important. They can say the "risk" is negligible and doesn't justify "punishing" all the others.