Anyone work for one of the big 4 consultancies who celebrated international women's day with a man taking about coming out as transgender?

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I generally don't care to get that stressed about the transgender issue BUT this flabbergasted me. I actually found myself saying to the screen out load 'oh you have to be kidding!'

On what planet is that right!!! Can't say a word at work as it is very US centric and obviously they think that's fine.

I saw that thread and it was full of troll hunting and personal attacks. As well as some transphobia (one post - which I obviously can't check now so I'm trying to recall as best I can - called trans women paedo fetishists I think).

I really don't think MN had any choice but to pull it. It wasn't just a thread where women were expressing disappointment, it was descending quite rapidly.

That Chat thread was 99% women going "what bollocks is this" and 2 posters going "so stunning and brave #bekind." Didn't recognise many FWR posters either. We are not alone, even if the thread was deleted for pages of "he's a man and it's not fair."

Oh which was this? I did 10 years at the 3 letter one.
I liked it there but reading this I’m very happy to say my current firm had an afternoon tea and q&a session with one of our board members, an Asian migrant woman. Brilliant, and she called out the difference between white women and other women with impressive directness (I’m white)

The problem was the 99% turned on those two posters with some quite nasty personal attacks and a fair amount of troll hunting. That's why the thread was taken down.

I’d have liked to read the other thread too! Boo mumsnet mods.

The bekind posters were also making personal attacks @Flickersy and had several posts deleted.

Yes they were too. The whole thread was a dumpster fire.

It was wonderful to see how so many women on the site think it's all misogynistic bollocks. They can't take that away. I suspect if it were in FWR I would have been left up..

Troll hunting and personal attacks is not the same thing as pointing out that 98% of trans woman have a penis, more than half of TW in prison are in there for sexual offences, and that a man who has "lived as a women" for five years from the age of 50 wouldn't have a clue what it's like to have a career as a woman and shouldn't be considered or accepting a prize for it.

There's a cottage industry of these males being paid to give speeches about their generally quite dull lives.

You're right, they're not. But that's not what was happening on that thread.

You could technically use this exercise to dispel all the stereotypes during the activity and then make the clear point by getting them to view a final list that had the ONLY advantage as "weeing standing up"

You know, there are some things I would like to hear about men overcoming. About the misogynist shit that gets poured into their ears as well as girls when they’re little and when they recognised it. About the expectations that go with male cameraderie and how it weirds them out. I would like to hear about it on International Men’s Day. Yes there is one.

This was my take.

I have noticed as a general trend that discussions outside of FWR are changing. A little at first, then threads where almost every single poster agrees that men who say they are trans are people too with rights, but they are not women and should not be handed women's rights.

Wonderful to see a non-FWR chat thoroughly agree that putting men who say they are women on the podium on IWD is just a piss take.

Taken down because isolated women (women who have been shut down at work, by family, NHS, Stonewall, shools, etc) would realise the majority feel as they do. All that sunlight burns!

They can do it then, then. Thanks for the reminder.

I think you’re missing the point of the OP, btw.

My point is exactly that this is not what International Women’s Day is for!

Yes, the biggest fear of all is that women will realise that all the other women think the way they do and that being offended and seeing that women are being harmed is not bigoted, it's an entirely rational, reasonable response.

This is why marvellous women like JKR speaking up is so important. You do have to be insane to think JKR is anything other than one of the most wonderful charitable women in the world. If someone so brave, kind and with such compassion can see the problems with self ID then there are problems with self ID. Really massive great big denying-the-human-rights-of-females problems.

Isolated women get their female socialisation used against them and are told it's them, they're bigoted and sometimes shut up.

Why couldn't they be booked to share their stories on International Trans Day of Visibility (March 31)? Or any of the other days, weeks, or months allocated to the invisible, oppressed minority?

One day of IWD, one day.

I do wonder why MN is willing to take the reports of a few bitter men over the outpouring of offense at men being platformed on IWD by seemingly a wide range of women all saying the same thing (I can't tell as didn't read the thread and now those women have been silenced).

It's very biased.

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of number of women on that thread vs number of people reporting.

by seemingly a wide range of women all saying the same thing (I can't tell as didn't read the thread

You are correct. I found it very cheering.

Being silenced on Mumsnet doesn't mean women just then decide to be quiet. We tend to find the opposite.

I'm sorry to have missed that thread.

OP, I'm with you 100%. Women's rage could probably be used to power the National Grid right now.

Because some people hey(men) don't even want biological women to have one day. They can't bear it.

I'm sorry I missed that thread. Absolutely see a turning tide here though!