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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR is at it again…

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Soontobe60 · 07/03/2024 20:34

What a joy it is to read such eloquence from JKR!
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1765822003246768198?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1765822003246768198?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

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lemmein · 08/03/2024 10:03

Lwrenn · 08/03/2024 07:36

She says she wants trans people to have protected rights. Respect to her.
I appreciate that on here as well, whenever there is a discussion here I've very rarely seen anyone not want trans folks to live happy, fulfilled and safe lives. They just don't want to give potential predators access to women and kids.
That involves keeping women's spaces safe.
I can't understand why this is so wildly controversial.
I think there is a mental block here that people by protecting women's spaces we are doing it to spite trans people, it isn't, its just trying to make things as safe as possible.
I use unisex toilets in public spaces if they're closest (my hospital has them more frequently than womens) and that is my choice, but the idea a woman of faith, or a woman who simply doesn't want to fucking share her space is made to feel like some mad biggot for that, is just gaslighting women.

It's incredibly frustrating and upsetting this level of division is occurring. People have lost a sense of protecting each other, themselves, being supportive and sensible.

The obvious solution is 3rd spaces, it doesn't have to be as divisive, just a new curve of society, by flat out refusal of such really isn't giving women anywhere to go besides defend their spaces at all costs. Very sad.

Unless I've missed something a 3rd option, changing rooms, prisons, toilets etc would just keep everyone safe, still be inclusive for trans community, will give everyone a solution. Yet its just a point of unnecessary contention. What a waste of time and energy fighting something that would increase people on both sides of the coin having safe and inclusive environments.

Whilst I agree with you, I suspect a lot of trans people (TW in particular) wouldn't.

The likes of Willoughby would still use women's facilities because India's fantastical delusions is far more important that women's comfort. I've never heard a trans person calling for their own spaces, there's probably a reason for that. No doubt IW would consider the mere suggestion transphobic.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/03/2024 10:07

BezMills · 08/03/2024 09:51

'Be Kind'

Yes. And when 'being kind' does not result in being unkind (or downright harmful) to others then it's better to be kind.

So yes, now be kind. Show the difference versus the 'no apology is ever good enough' responses we've seen levelled at anyone who commits the smallest act of gender heresy.

BezMills · 08/03/2024 10:09

you're absolutely right @ErrolTheDragon , I couldn't agree more.

She's such a QUEEN

goldenlloyd · 08/03/2024 10:28

She is wonderful. I hope what she is saying (so clearly) finally registers with some of those silly enough to think they will ever get one over on her or make her back down.

That apology! A desperate attempt to remain gainfully employed more than anything else, I imagine.

Lwrenn · 08/03/2024 11:14

lemmein · 08/03/2024 10:03

Whilst I agree with you, I suspect a lot of trans people (TW in particular) wouldn't.

The likes of Willoughby would still use women's facilities because India's fantastical delusions is far more important that women's comfort. I've never heard a trans person calling for their own spaces, there's probably a reason for that. No doubt IW would consider the mere suggestion transphobic.

I have sympathy for trans women, I do, I have trans friends who have been saying they're in the "wrong body" since childhood. It's incredibly sad.
And over the years I've been very much on the trans side, believing that I was siding with a marginalised group of people who simply wanted respect and to live their lives authentically and not causing any harm.
I've seen things over the last 7 or 8 years suspecting me to believe that isn't the case for what is now an overwhelming majority, sadly. My turning point when I realised how awful things were becoming was lesbians being told they had to accept transwomen to date. Lesbians don't need telling who they have to accept dating, to do so is in my wee opinion fucking criminal.

I think we are all aware now if we don't protect women's (and childrens) spaces, then we're blindly putting women into dangerous situations and why the fuck would anyone want that? If I was born in a body I didn't identify with, (sadly, I do identify as the short fat arse I am), I'd never ever let that take presidency over a woman feeling safe. Never.

My trans friends appreciate that but are scared to speak out. They have lived horrid lives truth be told and don't want shunning from any mild acceptance they do have. Its heartbreaking.

I've mentioned him a few times on here but I've an uncle, lovely harmless uncle who suffers psychosis. He's known in his local area as harmless and he goes and tells the old folks in cafes about his deluded adventures, like the tour he did with the beatles, just because in his head he was best mates with Paul McCartney it doesn't mean it was true or Paul McCartney would have to indulge my uncle knocking on his door holding a bottle of red wanting to discuss the good old times. (The good old times he wasn't even born to have witnessed in any capcity)

We can sympathise, we can pity and we can support, doesn't mean we have to accept. If that makes me transphobic then with sadness, I'll accept that. Because nothing is more important than safety of women and kids and I'd rather offend people than risk safety of others.

Sureaseggs44 · 08/03/2024 11:19

Lwrenn · 08/03/2024 07:36

She says she wants trans people to have protected rights. Respect to her.
I appreciate that on here as well, whenever there is a discussion here I've very rarely seen anyone not want trans folks to live happy, fulfilled and safe lives. They just don't want to give potential predators access to women and kids.
That involves keeping women's spaces safe.
I can't understand why this is so wildly controversial.
I think there is a mental block here that people by protecting women's spaces we are doing it to spite trans people, it isn't, its just trying to make things as safe as possible.
I use unisex toilets in public spaces if they're closest (my hospital has them more frequently than womens) and that is my choice, but the idea a woman of faith, or a woman who simply doesn't want to fucking share her space is made to feel like some mad biggot for that, is just gaslighting women.

It's incredibly frustrating and upsetting this level of division is occurring. People have lost a sense of protecting each other, themselves, being supportive and sensible.

The obvious solution is 3rd spaces, it doesn't have to be as divisive, just a new curve of society, by flat out refusal of such really isn't giving women anywhere to go besides defend their spaces at all costs. Very sad.

Unless I've missed something a 3rd option, changing rooms, prisons, toilets etc would just keep everyone safe, still be inclusive for trans community, will give everyone a solution. Yet its just a point of unnecessary contention. What a waste of time and energy fighting something that would increase people on both sides of the coin having safe and inclusive environments.

Third spaces , even if can be used by anyone are not acceptable according to India willoughby, I got blocked for suggesting that because it’s apartheid like apparently. Which just proves the agenda. Look at the swimming ponds , they have the third space and still take the womens space .

you know why ? Because third spaces would make it all go away , and that’s not what they want .

CactusMactus · 08/03/2024 11:30

I think the reason she riles people so much is because they can't really argue with her logic... she's so spot on!
Must be infuriating.

mirax · 08/03/2024 11:32

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/03/2024 01:09

He's unravelling.
Now calling JKR a "putrid c..t"

In many ways, this unravelling is good. These tweets are for ever, just like his extremely homophobic videos. He may have played his redemption-from-the-far -right story well for the NYT, but these ugly tweets damage not only him but also the morons who employ him.

Helleofabore · 08/03/2024 11:37

I think the unravelling shows that many people understand that there is nothing that they can argue that provides factual support for a philosophical belief that they are being told is backed by 'factual evidence'.

The unravelling is to be expected because of the dissonance. Many of us have felt that dissonance and that is why we are here to read and partake in the discussions to find truth.

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/03/2024 11:48

CactusMactus · 08/03/2024 11:30

I think the reason she riles people so much is because they can't really argue with her logic... she's so spot on!
Must be infuriating.

That's why you have 'dogwhistles.' She may have said 'XXXX' they say, but she really meant 'YYYYY.'

TeaGinandFags · 08/03/2024 11:51

StealthSpinach · 07/03/2024 20:53

☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️
“This is nonsense. 99.9% of the world knows it's nonsense. The emperor is naked. He might be wearing lipstick, but his balls are swinging in plain sight.”

I 💚🤍💜 JKR!

The world needs to hear this.

GailBlancheViola · 08/03/2024 11:52

afternoonoflife · 08/03/2024 09:23

She’s had years of abuse, he has one day of it (sans misogynistic threats and abuse) and he snaps and calls a woman a c*. Unbelievable. Every day of this you’re reminded of the difference between the sexes and just how close to the surface rage and misogyny is for these men.

Yeah, both sides my arse.

JKR did not swear at him, make any threats, be abusive in any way at all and yet there he is calling her a cunt, telling her what she must do with the veiled threat of what will happen if she doesn't conform to his diktat.

Helleofabore · 08/03/2024 11:53

GailBlancheViola · 08/03/2024 11:52

Yeah, both sides my arse.

JKR did not swear at him, make any threats, be abusive in any way at all and yet there he is calling her a cunt, telling her what she must do with the veiled threat of what will happen if she doesn't conform to his diktat.

Yep. 'Let them speak' is doing wonders.

TeaGinandFags · 08/03/2024 11:53

mirax · 08/03/2024 11:32

In many ways, this unravelling is good. These tweets are for ever, just like his extremely homophobic videos. He may have played his redemption-from-the-far -right story well for the NYT, but these ugly tweets damage not only him but also the morons who employ him.

When there is no argument, the insults come out.

All this from the words are violence brigade.

Datun · 08/03/2024 11:59

NotBadConsidering · 08/03/2024 01:40

That’s a transcript of the video he did, I should clarify. He spoke those words.

Sorry, not, yes, I wasn't concentrating. You did say that

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 08/03/2024 12:04

CactusMactus · 08/03/2024 11:30

I think the reason she riles people so much is because they can't really argue with her logic... she's so spot on!
Must be infuriating.

Definitely that but I suspect also like with KJK she doesn't fit the 'ugly old bat' image that lots of men like to cast feminists in. It's not just old hags that can't get a man so hate them instead, it's women that they would like to be with and that hurts their brains.

Datun · 08/03/2024 12:11

BezMills · 08/03/2024 04:54

He got to his wit's end. It was not a long trip.

Genius 🤣

OneMorePlant · 08/03/2024 12:13

This is the first thing I read on the internet today what a great day!

It took a while but it seems that JKR is finally over it. I love it when women reach this stage. Things are happening and changing all around, I feel it in my witchy bones.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:16

I agree, she literally has burned her field of fucks. It's inspiring.

OneMorePlant · 08/03/2024 12:20

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BezMills · 08/03/2024 12:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:16

I agree, she literally has burned her field of fucks. It's inspiring.

evocative!

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 08/03/2024 13:24

She is lush!

And I reckon mr im a journalist must be kissing his own arse that JKR is as lovely and magnanimous as we already knew her to be.

I’m sure IW is as gracious in any stand down (excepting the barb wire fences, pink stars, and all round total victimhood. Hope Plod are on their way…)

Luffs her x

Soontobe60 · 08/03/2024 13:29

Lwrenn · 08/03/2024 11:14

I have sympathy for trans women, I do, I have trans friends who have been saying they're in the "wrong body" since childhood. It's incredibly sad.
And over the years I've been very much on the trans side, believing that I was siding with a marginalised group of people who simply wanted respect and to live their lives authentically and not causing any harm.
I've seen things over the last 7 or 8 years suspecting me to believe that isn't the case for what is now an overwhelming majority, sadly. My turning point when I realised how awful things were becoming was lesbians being told they had to accept transwomen to date. Lesbians don't need telling who they have to accept dating, to do so is in my wee opinion fucking criminal.

I think we are all aware now if we don't protect women's (and childrens) spaces, then we're blindly putting women into dangerous situations and why the fuck would anyone want that? If I was born in a body I didn't identify with, (sadly, I do identify as the short fat arse I am), I'd never ever let that take presidency over a woman feeling safe. Never.

My trans friends appreciate that but are scared to speak out. They have lived horrid lives truth be told and don't want shunning from any mild acceptance they do have. Its heartbreaking.

I've mentioned him a few times on here but I've an uncle, lovely harmless uncle who suffers psychosis. He's known in his local area as harmless and he goes and tells the old folks in cafes about his deluded adventures, like the tour he did with the beatles, just because in his head he was best mates with Paul McCartney it doesn't mean it was true or Paul McCartney would have to indulge my uncle knocking on his door holding a bottle of red wanting to discuss the good old times. (The good old times he wasn't even born to have witnessed in any capcity)

We can sympathise, we can pity and we can support, doesn't mean we have to accept. If that makes me transphobic then with sadness, I'll accept that. Because nothing is more important than safety of women and kids and I'd rather offend people than risk safety of others.

What’s really sad is that the adults did not tell your trans friends when they were children that there was nothing wrong with their body, that it’s impossible to be ‘born in the wrong body’ and that they cannot change sex - ever.
Children are still being lied to by adults who should know better.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/03/2024 13:44

There are nearly 5,000 comments under the article in the Telegraph which went up last night! All apparently in favour of JKR's point and countless clearly aware of the dangers all this poses to children and women's rights.

People are no longer sitting back passively - people are fucking furious!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/07/jk-rowling-reported-police-trans-india-willoughby/

JK Rowling reported to police by trans activist India Willoughby for misgendering

Harry Potter author referred to newsreader and Loose Women host as a man in Twitter argument

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/07/jk-rowling-reported-police-trans-india-willoughby

Lwrenn · 08/03/2024 13:58

Soontobe60 · 08/03/2024 13:29

What’s really sad is that the adults did not tell your trans friends when they were children that there was nothing wrong with their body, that it’s impossible to be ‘born in the wrong body’ and that they cannot change sex - ever.
Children are still being lied to by adults who should know better.

In both cases my friends would have benefitted from parents who weren't deeply homophobic, I think that may have certainly encouraged them to have not felt compelled to put themselves through hell, effectively.

The way children who want to play and live outside "gender norms" are now quickly given the trans label worries me.