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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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AlisonDonut · 05/03/2024 06:27

They have been working on this for months. Glad it is finally coming out.

And well done Mia on the report. Just off to read it now.

AlisonDonut · 05/03/2024 06:39

Proving lack of consent in the USA is key, as it underpins the insurance that is paying for all this.

If it can be proven that they have abused the consent system, then people are more likely to be able to successfully sue the doctors and clinics.

Which should be the quickest way to put an end to this in the USA.

PriOn1 · 05/03/2024 06:41

Thanks, @NotBadConsidering

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YouJustDoYou · 05/03/2024 06:43

What pretty much everyone has known, all along. The groomers won't like this at all, not one bit.

BettyFilous · 05/03/2024 07:00

These reports should be raised in the ongoing debate about the conversion therapy bills. They provide an even stronger case for thoughtful exploration of the individual’s circumstances and capacity to give informed consent.

Helleofabore · 05/03/2024 07:07

It has been such a slow crumble. I remember when the first deep crack started when it was finally admitted in court in the Keira Bell case that there was no evidence.

domineastronomy · 05/03/2024 07:10

This is the biggest scandal of our century.
Driven by drug companies and mentally ill fanatics.
I hope that insurance companies will get involved and that heads will roll.
And I hope the press will pick this up.

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Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 07:20

I've always read WPATH as WarPath, just how it appears in my brain. On the warpath against reason, research and informed consent.

Bloody Hell!

Froodwithatowel · 05/03/2024 07:24

Fuck.

Every time more evidence leaks out, it gets worse.

I particularly notice (again) this insane decision that any care for child safeguarding is now 'an attack by the far right'.

Which makes the lovely, pure, Good Guy left.... the ones madly sterilising and harming children and blaming the child if it all goes hideously wrong. Which makes the left merely identifying as the good guys in the face of a mountain of very grim evidence.

The political left either need to get a fast handle on this and change the narrative, or accept this is going to stick for decades.

nothingcomestonothing · 05/03/2024 07:27

Wasn't the basis of Helen Webberley not getting struck off that she was following WPATH and therefore evidence and best practice in the field?

This house of cards has got to fall.

MoltenLasagne · 05/03/2024 07:30

I've just read the twitter thread and it is just appalling. I can't quite get my head around what is worst, but I think that possibly the section where they discuss multiple patients with severe psychiatric disorders, such as the patient with alternative personalities that all have to consent!

Helleofabore · 05/03/2024 07:39

I am just adding this as it is relevant. I am also going to add it to the break it down thread when I get to my desktop.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38410090/

An updated review of the ‘evidence’. The conclusion? Nothing that adds any strength to the claims that these treatments improve the life of children.

This study is for Germany. How many more countries will be releasing statements about weak evidence.

No wonder the WHO reverse ferreted so quickly at the beginning of the year. They must have had warning that this German review was coming. And Norway’s statement. And the review by Nederlands. How many more does the WHO know about?

Right side of history ? Fuck right off!

[Beyond NICE: Updated Systematic Review on the Current Evidence of Using Puberty Blocking Pharmacological Agents and Cross-Sex-Hormones in Minors with Gender Dysphoria] - PubMed

Beyond NICE: Updated Systematic Review on the Current Evidence of Using Puberty Blocking Pharmacological Agents and Cross-Sex-Hormones in Minors with Gender Dysphoria <b>Abstract:</b> <i>Objective:</i> The suppression of physiological puberty using pub...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38410090/

Ingenieur · 05/03/2024 07:40

Hi @PriOn1 , yeah no problem keeping with this thread, it wasn't on my feed when I created mine, not trying to steal your thunder!

I am pleased that this is getting mainstream attention, I read about it first in The Economist and they really seem to have done it justice

www.economist.com/united-states/2024/03/05/leaked-discussions-reveal-uncertainty-about-transgender-care

The discussions of its members show that the provision of so-called gender-affirming care is riddled with far more doubt than WPATH’s outward message that such interventions are “not considered experimental”.

Kucinghitam · 05/03/2024 07:56

When can we say "I told you so!"?

PriOn1 · 05/03/2024 08:10

”yeah no problem keeping with this thread, it wasn't on my feed when I created mine, not trying to steal your thunder!”

I assumed a cross post as I know it takes a while to find and embed links. Your OP was better than mine, but others had already begun to reply, otherwise I’d have deferred to your thread.

But what strikes me in reading some of the images of WPATH discussions about mental illness is that these people are so embedded in their theory that “gender identity” is a factual, established thing and not a mental health issue that they can no longer see 1) a web of mental health issues, including delusions of gender and instead see 2) “trans people” who are (separately) mentally distressed or mentally ill.

I can’t tell if that’s because they are in such an echo chamber that they have truly lost sight of even the concept that these people they are treating are actually 1). The alternative: that they are deliberately pursuing this despite knowing 2) is unlikely to be true is too horrifying to contemplate.

But I suspect some of them must know. What becomes obvious when this material is released is that the vast majority of people can see that 1) is the most likely scenario and 2) is so far fetched as to immediately be suspect and scandalous.

I have heard it said that consent/negligence cases in the US are going to be very difficult because those carrying out these treatments were following WPATH guidelines and WPATH were considered to be offering the gold standard of care. I think this needs a really deep dive into how that happened as well as this current expose of the clinicians themselves.

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FriedGold32 · 05/03/2024 08:11

This should blow the lid off the whole thing, in any sane world. I doubt any mainstream UK outlet other than the DM or maybe the Telegraph will even carry the story.

NotBadConsidering · 05/03/2024 08:23

Dr Christine McGinn who has performed “about 20” vaginoplasties on males under the age of 18.

https://drchristinemcginn.com/drmcginn/

But surgery never happens on minors…

Papillon Center - Dr. McGinn SRS, HRT, and Electrolysis

https://drchristinemcginn.com/drmcginn/

ResisterRex · 05/03/2024 08:25

Points from the document need to be added to the response to the DfE consultation. Especially about the iatrogenic harms arising from "gender affirming" pathways and "care". Schools need to run like fuck from this and so does the NHS. Charities pushing it need to be closed down.

We knew it. We all knew it.

SinnerBoy · 05/03/2024 08:28

PriOn1 · Today 07:14

What the Hell have I just read? I mean, we knew much of it, but to see it laid out so starkly is stunning. They're just absolutely abhorrent. They knew precisely what the results of their actions were and that the children were in no state to have an understanding of what they were doing.

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