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ArabellaScott · 05/03/2024 11:10

They'll all be here any minute to impugn us, or the people who've published, or both.

Because there really is no defense for how WPATH has been accepted as an authority on anything. Plain sight.

Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 11:13

Utterly, utterly horrifying.

Whatever happend to "first of all, do no harm"?

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2024 11:39

fromorbit · 05/03/2024 08:41

The thing is clever lawyers can now go after WPATH and its members potentially.

This lawsuit is already going after American Academy of Pediatrics:
https://nypost.com/2023/12/13/news/detransitioner-suing-american-academy-of-pediatrics/

The problem is time. It will take years. Even after they lose the TRAs will never admit they are wrong.

No one will get involved in aftercare of the butchery in the US once the lawsuits start. That's the real tragedy of the American health care system.

WarriorN · 05/03/2024 11:53

Loving the tweets about how some tweets have not aged well....

x.com/sleeepysandy/status/1764953394815373446?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

lonelywater · 05/03/2024 12:09

FriedGold32 · 05/03/2024 10:21

Simon Edge has been trying to tell Lloyd Russell Moyle that his bill is effectively an attempt to force medical practitioners into this treatment that they all know is unethical and often barbaric, Russell Moyle responds that his bill has nothing to do with this.

Sometimes I just genuinely don't know whether people like LRM are so disingenuous that they will tell you black is white and keep a straight face or whether they're just incredibly, astonishingly stupid.

I would be inclined to give the likes of Moyle, et al., the benefit of the doubt and say they were thick as mince, otherwise they would have to be positively evil to knowingly promote this fucking nonsense.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 05/03/2024 12:34

I can see a very tiny and slight issue with pursuing any of these absolute shysters along the lines of “informed consent” concerning unevidenced and experimental therapies. There have been a very large number of healthy people who were persuaded and coerced into doing precisely the same quite recently

ResisterRex · 05/03/2024 12:36

I disagree about giving people such as politicians the benefit of the doubt. Why should we? We were able to open our minds and read around this, enquire into it, ask what is going on and join the dots. It's not even our job to do that.

Plus I've never shared a platform with someone who's done time for heinous offences.

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2024 12:37

https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1764991273239183768

Hannah Barnes with a look at how the NHS is entangled.

https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1764991273239183768

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/03/2024 12:40

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2024 12:37

https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1764991273239183768

Hannah Barnes with a look at how the NHS is entangled.

So the NHS is lying about the involvement of NHS staff with this dangerous organisation?

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/03/2024 12:46

This is all so horrific. And tragic. Transgender " care" seems to be the only care where opinions from non medically qualified people, and appearances seem to matter more than what's best for any of the patients. If you took people with the same exact illness/condition , some may opt for surgery, some may opt for medical approach and some may opt for nothing at all. Neither choice invalidates or is reflective of anyones opinion on the choices others make. But this, it seems causes extreme anger and offence is taken unless everyone regardless of pre existing conditions, health, age , sex, backgrounds, support systems etc is given the exact same course of " treatment " . Each case must placate everyone else.

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2024 12:49

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ArabellaScott · 05/03/2024 12:49

<sigh> I had some links embedded. Hopefully it'll unhide itself eventually.

Gist: Yes, the NHS are lying.

SoupDragonsFriend · 05/03/2024 13:23

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/03/2024 12:40

So the NHS is lying about the involvement of NHS staff with this dangerous organisation?

The WPATH website allows a search for members by country. This is the UK list that came up when I tried it this morning.
https://www.wpath.org/member/search/results?cb_member_search_form_global%5Baddress%5D%5Bcountry%5D=GB&cb_member_search_form_global%5Baddress%5D%5Bstate%5D=&cb_member_search_form_global%5BfirstName%5D=&cb_member_search_form_global%5BlastName%5D=&cb_member_search_form_global%5Bphone%5D=&cb_member_search_form_global%5Bspecialty%5D=&page=1
The gov.uk website has a list, dated 15 Feb 2024, of GMC registered doctors and psychologists in the UK who specialise in gender dysphoria (in relation to GRD applications).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition-certificate-list-of-medical-practitioners-in-gender-dysphoria/doctors-and-psychologists-specialising-in-gender-dysphoria

I started to compare the lists and could see one name linked to an NHS Trust with WPATH membership. There's also a GP who's a WPATH member and is linked to training NHS staff. Haven't looked in depth.

WarriorN · 05/03/2024 13:59

Mia Hughes' first TV interview about the files which she has worked very thoroughly on.

x.com/newsnation/status/1764841242364366965?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 13:59

Having now read all 242 pages all I wish to say is

WPATH ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING BASTARDS

WarriorN · 05/03/2024 14:01

It also shows a very disturbing clip from the files of a man (?) saying that speaking to a 13 year old girl about fertility is like speaking to a blank wall or "ew, babies" - which is what many/ most teen girls say.

Soontobe60 · 05/03/2024 14:05

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 13:59

Having now read all 242 pages all I wish to say is

WPATH ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING BASTARDS

I can’t disagree with you. The number of young teens who’re being led down this pathway by so-called professionals horrifies me.

WarriorN · 05/03/2024 14:06

I need to note that Genevieve Gluck has also done a lot of the ground work for this. And had no media interest.

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 14:15

Soontobe60 · 05/03/2024 14:05

I can’t disagree with you. The number of young teens who’re being led down this pathway by so-called professionals horrifies me.

I'm currently having trouble shaking the depressive cloud that has appeared above my head after reading it. I feel the urge to go and find a hill top on which to scream loudly.

I knew they were a bunch of cowboys but page after page after page of it all laid out just shows them for what they actually are.

Every single one of them should be in prison.

Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 14:21

Incandescently angry.
Not just vexed, or annoyed.
We are beyond that.

We have left the livid shores, exasperated, sad.
Beyond the tempestuous seas, tumultuously tossed and turned.

We have arrived, sader and older, in the realms of white, hot fury.

We will not be silenced.

With dignity and respect.
We say;

Enough is enough.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/03/2024 14:34

@Boiledbeetle poetry.

I don't know if you did that on purpose @Vebrithien but that's how I'm reading it, and agreeing with every word.

Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 14:40

Yes, it was on purpose, something I wrote in response to my own situation, but it also felt appropriate as a response to what @Boiledbeetle had just said.

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 14:46

I've just seen it on your thread Veb, they are all bastards! WPATH and the bloody teachers at that that school!

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 14:52

BUTCHERS

What the actual fuck have I just been reading?
People who should know better leaving kids broken and bleeding.
Actually saying the quiet bits out loud and without feeling.
They dare to operate aimlessly not caring if kids are healing.
Have we had enough yet or does even more need revealing?