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Thingybob · 06/03/2024 06:47

Thomas Johnston, the lead on the SOC eunuch chapter and seemingly the loudest voice pushing for disturbed men to be castrated is not a medical doctor or even a psychologist, he is a cultural anthropologist

LostInScience · 06/03/2024 07:09

I think if, in a few days, the Guardian and the BBC don't have an article about this, I'll write them a letter. What is more transphobic that ignoring a medical scandal because it is linked to transgender care, even if, as a journalist, you considered this care necessary? Would the Guardian/BBC ignore a medical scandal because it regards an intervention that happens mostly to an ethnic minority? Imagine that there was, for example, bad collection of informed consent, or emerging dangerous effects, associated with the treatment of a tumour that affects a certain ethnicity. Would not they report it, just because it is such a beneficial procedure? Or would they feel even more compelled to denounce the medical scandal?

Zeugma · 06/03/2024 07:43

Thank God for Justin Webb, who’s just mentioned it in the paper review on the Today programme. It was brief - but he did manage to mention it.

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:21

Of course, it must be noted that the WPATH files are really focused on the binary ‘genders’ of woman or man and a bit of non-binary (language and nullification surgeries).

Why is there nothing about all the other genders? Has anyone ever laid gender identity theory out in a coherent way that has included the oft ignored gender identities? Surely that is trans phobic to keep centring the binary genders with so little thought to the NB and others?

fromorbit · 06/03/2024 08:23

LostInScience · 06/03/2024 07:09

I think if, in a few days, the Guardian and the BBC don't have an article about this, I'll write them a letter. What is more transphobic that ignoring a medical scandal because it is linked to transgender care, even if, as a journalist, you considered this care necessary? Would the Guardian/BBC ignore a medical scandal because it regards an intervention that happens mostly to an ethnic minority? Imagine that there was, for example, bad collection of informed consent, or emerging dangerous effects, associated with the treatment of a tumour that affects a certain ethnicity. Would not they report it, just because it is such a beneficial procedure? Or would they feel even more compelled to denounce the medical scandal?

Good idea. We should organise a write in if needed. However the coverup is falling apart. There is so much money to be made in the US from lawsuits that the bandwagon is slowly and surely coming apart.

I think the next few years will be crucial by 2026 the process will be even more apparent.

Brefugee · 06/03/2024 08:23

DrBlackbird · 05/03/2024 22:16

The persistence is notable.

one of the reasons i used to get so irritated, annoyed and very very vocally complainy when i was studying (not that long ago, as an adult) whenever Michel sodding Foucault turned up in the texts (PPE - he was remarkably visible especially in the two Ps)

Because inevitably he was described as "difficult to understand" and that you really had to work hard to get what he was saying.

And i was constantly saying "he needed to be clearer in his writing and he badly needed a very very good and robust editor" and was sneered at for not being academic enough.

The more of the current mess i see, the more i see Foucault's fingers in the pie (pun not intended but it seems approproate). Obfuscating language is their MO. And now, 40 years or so later, it is clear why.

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:28

https://x.com/benryanwriter/status/1765160383885484259?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

President Dr. Marci Bowers released this statement:

“WPATH is and has always been a science- and evidence-based organization whose recommendations are widely endorsed by major medical organizations around the world. We are the professionals who best know the medical needs of trans and gender diverse individuals—and stand opposed to individuals who misrepresent and de-legitimize the diverse identities and complex needs of this population through scare tactics. The world is not flat. Gender, like genitalia, is represented by diversity. The small percentage of the population that is trans or gender diverse deserves healthcare and will never be a threat to the global gender binary."

And WPATH members have been asked to not respond to any media enquiries.

https://x.com/benryanwriter/status/1765160383885484259?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

RedToothBrush · 06/03/2024 08:30

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:21

Of course, it must be noted that the WPATH files are really focused on the binary ‘genders’ of woman or man and a bit of non-binary (language and nullification surgeries).

Why is there nothing about all the other genders? Has anyone ever laid gender identity theory out in a coherent way that has included the oft ignored gender identities? Surely that is trans phobic to keep centring the binary genders with so little thought to the NB and others?

It's almost as if the issue were just about not confirming to gender stereotypes...

Emotionalsupportviper · 06/03/2024 08:32

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:28

https://x.com/benryanwriter/status/1765160383885484259?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

President Dr. Marci Bowers released this statement:

“WPATH is and has always been a science- and evidence-based organization whose recommendations are widely endorsed by major medical organizations around the world. We are the professionals who best know the medical needs of trans and gender diverse individuals—and stand opposed to individuals who misrepresent and de-legitimize the diverse identities and complex needs of this population through scare tactics. The world is not flat. Gender, like genitalia, is represented by diversity. The small percentage of the population that is trans or gender diverse deserves healthcare and will never be a threat to the global gender binary."

And WPATH members have been asked to not respond to any media enquiries.

I can't imagine why they wouldn't want anyone taking the risk of saying the quiet part out loud.

fromorbit · 06/03/2024 08:34

Andrew Doyle is on the case:

The WPATH Files have exposed one of the biggest medical scandals of all time.

No coverage as yet from the BBC, ITV, Sky, Channel 4, etc... but don't worry! I’ll be hosting a special episode of Free Speech Nation on the WPATH Files this Sunday at 7pm!

I’ll delve into these explosive revelations with a range of brilliant guests, including:

• Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) on the leaked materials

• Helen Joyce (@HJoyceGender) on WPATH’s global influence

• Stella O’Malley (@stellaomalley3) on the victims of WPATH

• Dr Carrie Mendoza on clinical malpractice

• Dr Az Hakeem (@DoctorAz) on WPATH’s influence on the NHS

• Fiona McAnena (@DerryBanShee) on software systems used in NHS trusts originating from WPATH

• Neale Hanvey MP (@JNHanvey) on the political implications

Sunday 10th March, 7pm on @GBNEWS!

Ultimately the truth will come out and the right wing will benefit. Because after ignoring/participating for years they saw before the left/centre that it was going to collapse. Not to mention that supporting it contradicted their own values anyway.

PatatiPatatras · 06/03/2024 08:34

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:28

https://x.com/benryanwriter/status/1765160383885484259?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

President Dr. Marci Bowers released this statement:

“WPATH is and has always been a science- and evidence-based organization whose recommendations are widely endorsed by major medical organizations around the world. We are the professionals who best know the medical needs of trans and gender diverse individuals—and stand opposed to individuals who misrepresent and de-legitimize the diverse identities and complex needs of this population through scare tactics. The world is not flat. Gender, like genitalia, is represented by diversity. The small percentage of the population that is trans or gender diverse deserves healthcare and will never be a threat to the global gender binary."

And WPATH members have been asked to not respond to any media enquiries.

As clear as mud...

Professionals in what?
Endorsed by which medical orgs?
Complex needs of which population?
What is a complex need?

I'm tired of this shit.

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:35

Bowers, just a hint. Just repeating that you are science and evidence based doesn’t mean you or your organisation is science and evidence based.

And trying to leverage in that the earth is not flat doesn’t make your organisation based on science and evidence. Nor does it work as some descriptive device to make those who don’t believe in gender identities to be like flat earthers.

It just makes your organisation look like it cannot defend what has been discovered now by countries actually conducting their own reviews. The evidence was always weak and your ‘members’ are making things up as they go along and experimenting on humans, often children.

lifeturnsonadime · 06/03/2024 08:38

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:28

https://x.com/benryanwriter/status/1765160383885484259?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

President Dr. Marci Bowers released this statement:

“WPATH is and has always been a science- and evidence-based organization whose recommendations are widely endorsed by major medical organizations around the world. We are the professionals who best know the medical needs of trans and gender diverse individuals—and stand opposed to individuals who misrepresent and de-legitimize the diverse identities and complex needs of this population through scare tactics. The world is not flat. Gender, like genitalia, is represented by diversity. The small percentage of the population that is trans or gender diverse deserves healthcare and will never be a threat to the global gender binary."

And WPATH members have been asked to not respond to any media enquiries.

So completely fails to address the findings of the report?

I think this does need to be spoken very loudly.

I know a number of families locally who are proud and think they are being kind by raising their autistic daughters as trans boys or non binary. This information should not be withheld from anyone.

Schools should also be made aware. GPs surgeries should be made aware. No one should believe that socially transitioning children is an act of kindness.

Women who have raised concerns about this have been blocked by autism support groups and called bigots, it has happened to me. These parents often believe they are doing the right thing. It's scandalous that they do not have all of the information about the harms.

PatatiPatatras · 06/03/2024 08:38

"The small percentage of the population that is trans or gender diverse deserves healthcare and will never be a threat to the global gender binary."

They will definitely need healthcare once your org is done with them Bowers!

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 06/03/2024 08:40

Bowers being the one who performed surgery on Jazz Jennings.

I'm using the phrase ‘performed surgery’ because what I actually have in mind would probably get me deleted.

Rainbowshit · 06/03/2024 08:40

"Gender like genitalia is represented by diversity " what in the fucking fuck does that mean? 🤔

Yet Marci goes on to say gender is binary. 🤔

NotBadConsidering · 06/03/2024 08:41

WPATH: we are a science- and evidence-based organisation

WPATH Files: here’s how they’re not.

WPATH: we are a science- and evidence-based organisation.

WPATH Files and everyone else: see above.

This is what they’ll do. They’ll try and gaslight everyone.

Ingenieur · 06/03/2024 08:43

@Helleofabore

“WPATH is and has always been a science- and evidence-based organization whose recommendations are widely endorsed by major medical organizations around the world."

So Bowers' evidence of WPATH's professionalism is that other bodies make use of their work?

Absolutely astounding!

Helleofabore · 06/03/2024 08:44

RedToothBrush · 06/03/2024 08:30

It's almost as if the issue were just about not confirming to gender stereotypes...

It is almost as if this is also probably the first stage in a sequence and they made an error bringing in the Eunuch patients too early.

First, get the medical treatments for the binary and non-binary solidified and secure.

What is a bet that the next phase would have been extreme body modifications normalised for all the other gender identities? It makes sense. Obviously at this time of development of the identities, some need no body modifications. But others like cat gender could get the whiskers and cheek implants paid for and done in hospitals. Rather than the whiskers being done by body piercing places. Tattoo artists could be then included in gender clinic teams too.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/03/2024 08:47

LostInScience · 06/03/2024 07:09

I think if, in a few days, the Guardian and the BBC don't have an article about this, I'll write them a letter. What is more transphobic that ignoring a medical scandal because it is linked to transgender care, even if, as a journalist, you considered this care necessary? Would the Guardian/BBC ignore a medical scandal because it regards an intervention that happens mostly to an ethnic minority? Imagine that there was, for example, bad collection of informed consent, or emerging dangerous effects, associated with the treatment of a tumour that affects a certain ethnicity. Would not they report it, just because it is such a beneficial procedure? Or would they feel even more compelled to denounce the medical scandal?

Excellent. It's so important that the media who have for so long ignored this appalling scandal about medical experimentation on children are called to account.
Maybe those on twitter could remind the BBC's "identity" journalists to report on this instead of the latest drag queen event? .

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 06/03/2024 08:50

But others like cat gender could get the whiskers and cheek implants paid for and done in hospitals. Rather than the whiskers being done by body piercing places. Tattoo artists could be then included in gender clinic teams too.

Also whatever voice box surgery would be needed to enable purring. And tail implants.

Rightsraptor · 06/03/2024 08:52

What does Bowers mean by 'gender'? Gender can be diverse as you like, but sex isn't. Sex remains stubbornly binary and not at all diverse.

We all know genitalia are 'diverse' - men obsess enough about penis size, FFS.

And it seems to me that all those major medical organisations around the world that have been endorsing WPATH have only been doing so because they've been told to. They've been persuaded that WPATH knows what they're talking about while being strongly discouraged from peeping behind the curtain to see what's really there.

LargeSquareRock · 06/03/2024 08:53

This enrages me. We've known this shit for years. What’s to bet that the progressive Guardians, BBCs, CNNs, New York Times of the world all jump on the bandwagon and present this as a breaking news story in a year or two. They will claim credit for the expose and ignore the work of all the conservative and progressive news outlets and individuals who have been screaming into the void for years.

It will suddenly be acceptable for my progressive “be kind” friends to act all shocked and outraged. The friends who I have had to agree not to raise this with anymore because it would lose our friendship. I’m a tiny, tiny cog in the gender fight back wheel but I have-

  1. submitted a FOI to Queensland Children’s hospital in 2018, establishing they don’t record rates of ASD in their gender kids
  2. established that Queensland Girl Guides uses gender, not sex for the children and adults in 2018
  3. Letter been published in a national news paper about the threat to women’s sports in 2019
  4. had multiple email exchanges and 2 robust phone conversations with my local MP who supports transing kids in 2020 and 2021
  5. Tried unsuccessfully to find out which groups Sports Australia consulted with when releasing their gender guidelines
  6. Fought the good fight on X
  7. Donated to multiple crowdfunders in UK and Australia

When this scandal “breaks” in the progressive media and my “be kind” friends raise this as a new scandal, I am going to list the above and ask what they were doing when the world’s biggest medical scandal and biggest threat to women and LGB rights was unfolding. Aside from silencing me and implying I’m a bigot.

Fenlandia · 06/03/2024 08:54

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/03/2024 08:47

Excellent. It's so important that the media who have for so long ignored this appalling scandal about medical experimentation on children are called to account.
Maybe those on twitter could remind the BBC's "identity" journalists to report on this instead of the latest drag queen event? .

If you search for 'trans health' on the BBC website, there are loads of articles about meany Republicans and NHS waiting times. But nothing about the harm being perpetrated by trans' own advocates Wpath and their bizarre religious cult practices.