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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mention of dangerous Terf-led lesbian bar

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QuetzalTerfLus · 03/03/2024 11:38

Article here on a new trans-inclusive “lesbian” bar, with nice dig at the horrid old lesbians who may not want men in their spaces.

I guess this is an opinion / review piece but still quite surprising to see “Terf” being used in mainstream press. And I thought the Standard had undertaken to be balanced in its journalism.

https://www.standard.co.uk/going-out/london-lesbian-bar-la-camionera-tiktok-b1142159.html

How can London have only one lesbian bar?

New venue La Camionera was long overdue, says Isobel Van Dyke

https://www.standard.co.uk/going-out/london-lesbian-bar-la-camionera-tiktok-b1142159.html

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TicklishLemur · 19/05/2024 12:20

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 12:08

A female who is in a relationship with a male...makes this a straight couple.

I assumed the other person to be a woman, is that not the case?

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 12:40

FineThenLetsDance · 19/05/2024 12:20

🙄😆 in the spirit of 'welcome, you're a terf' in earlier posts, congratulations, trans ally.

Well no.

If they are selling themselves as a straight couple then they aren't lesbians are they?

FineThenLetsDance · 19/05/2024 12:49

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 12:40

Well no.

If they are selling themselves as a straight couple then they aren't lesbians are they?

What's quite absurd about this is the only other folk strenuously objecting to Alex's involvement have been the very staunch self-styled trans allies who insist as much as you all do that a rigid lexicon is more important than the connection to community & the understanding that conversations about female masculinity & gender have always been part of the lesbian experience.

Which again, you'd know if this wasn't another transparent attempt to leverage lesbians in your culture war shenanigans.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2024 13:11

There's not one bit of this that is incoherent.

Everything about your ideology is incoherent.

FineThenLetsDance · 19/05/2024 13:22

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2024 13:11

There's not one bit of this that is incoherent.

Everything about your ideology is incoherent.

Thanks for your input.🤷‍♂️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2024 13:24

Right back at you 🤷‍♀️

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 19/05/2024 13:38

FineThenLetsDance · 19/05/2024 01:28

Nope. I see you very clearly. I watched you all shitting on Alex on this thread, I see GCs hand wave away butches being harassed in women's spaces (although we might get some headpats if we're noble & take it without complaint) and I see the wide eyed scorn about he/him lesbians, as though it's a new concept, because your only lens is reheated 2nd wave polilez prudery, if not just outright ignorance.

I know you think you have really impressive talking points, but when push comes to shove, you prefer gnc lesbians when we're pets and you're very willing to pitch us squarely under the number 57 when expedient. I saw a thread on here where someone was asking if they could get away with excluding a trans masc lesbian from a social group & it was pure mean girl shit in the replies. Many of us see that and don't trust you in the slightest.

Could you put that in standard received English, please? I can’t understand it at all

AlisonDonut · 19/05/2024 18:09

FineThenLetsDance · 19/05/2024 12:49

What's quite absurd about this is the only other folk strenuously objecting to Alex's involvement have been the very staunch self-styled trans allies who insist as much as you all do that a rigid lexicon is more important than the connection to community & the understanding that conversations about female masculinity & gender have always been part of the lesbian experience.

Which again, you'd know if this wasn't another transparent attempt to leverage lesbians in your culture war shenanigans.

What is absurd is the cognitive dissonace in whichever situation is true.
I genuinely don't care. Open a bar. Don't open a bar. Get some funding. Don't get funding.

But if you are lesbians who are pretending to be a straight couple then why open a lesbian bar? It does rather look like they are the lesbians trying to leverage something something in their culture war shenanigans.

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