Will Labour introduce Self ID & curb free speech?

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I’ve never voted Tory, but as a lesbian woman who plans to have children (and obviously as a woman!) I am and will be part of the three groups most affected by Gender Ideology; women, lesbian and soon I hope a Mother. I am really worried about what happens when Labour takes power. The Tories have been rubbish no arguments there but at least they are finally moving against the steam rolling of Gender Ideology. I’m thinking Labour are not that fiscally different to the Tories and have said they will not cap bankers bonuses and they don’t intend to increase public spending in a significant way.

Really concerned about more gender identity clinics popping up under Labour and Keir Starmer possibly curbing free speech via so - called hate laws (in the feminist circle i run in we all agree this is a euphemism for silencing women about men in female prisons, rape shelters and other areas where women are vulnerable).

wonder what everyone else thinking?

The template, then.

I don’t expect North Korea has Scotland’s problems with drug and alcohol abuse 🧐

The Act isn't implemented until later this year. 1st April fittingly. Have another go

And yet you'll still have posters insisting Labour can be trusted. They absolutely cannot. But there's none so blind as will not see.

They are quite heavy drinkers.

Ooh. I'll look forward to seeing it come into effect then.

Any more info on that? I haven't found anything since last year's setting up of the Hate Crime Centre (iirc).

There's an information note here

Apparently it's dependent on setting up the IT, so you know it may never happen.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/hate-crime-public-order-scotland-act-2021-information-note/

Evidence please - because the whole point of communism is to deliver everything collectively, so I don't believe that is true

Thanks.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/controversial-hate-crime-bill-faces-further-delays/

I wonder if that date is still in operation? This article suggested it was going to be 'chaos' as the police just can't afford to train officers, let alone implement it.

Netanyahu also uses that phrase to describe Israeli territory - is he antisemitic?

Meanwhile Anderson claims London is being run by Islamists and that's not racist. Go figure.

No, I don't have experience of local Labour politics. I'm a floating voter, currently a Labour member but not actively involved nor likely to be.

Thought not.

And the second paragraph. Are you going to suggest the baying mobs that have been turning up outside women's meetings are from the right?

I'm genuinely not sure if I've understood your comment correctly, but have you read anything of 20th century Chinese and Cambodian history?

Netanyahu also uses that phrase to describe Israeli territory - is he antisemitic?

Well, he certainly doesn't mind pallying up with racists and anti-semites. I don't think much of anyone who parrots phrases like that; do you?

Hmmmm. OK then.
As someone with no skin in the game, the double standards of what it seems acceptable to say about Muslims vs Jewish people are striking.

Police Scotland seems to have a multitude of problems beyond just implementation of the bill

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/police-scotland-plans-to-no-longer-investigate-every-reported-crime-from-april-a-source-of-shame-for-scottish-government-ministers-4531736

Oh, that's interesting timing.

It's not a problem if you are straight. If you are a lesbian wanting children (like OP) then it might influence your voting.

Hmm… there was a little something called the cultural revolution in China. 27 teachers murdered by their students on the encouragement of Mao and the State. Many more tortured to death or driven to suicide.

Then, more recently, the crackdowns against Universities following Tiannemen Square and on the Hong Kong Chinese schools and Universities once we left.

There were also the pogroms carried out against teachers, and other “intellectuals” by Stalin et al in Russia.

Communism DOES believe in collective education, but only where the education delivered conforms to party ‘guidance.’

Really concerned about more gender identity clinics popping up under Labour and Keir Starmer possibly curbing free speech via so - called hate laws (in the feminist circle i run in we all agree this is a euphemism for silencing women about men in female prisons, rape shelters and other areas where women are vulnerable)

Labour, like any other Govt, want to be re-elected, doing the things extremists/Tory supporters on here accuse them of, would mean they would risk losing both women voters and their very large number of female MPs too.

So it wont happen.

You re also assuming they will win the next GE, who says so? its months away, anything could happen.

But i feel happier with Starmer and Reeves than with Truss and Farage or even Badenoch and Braverman (who was sacked for passing on state secrets) or was that Patel?
Either way, a Tory party not to be trusted.

There is a difference between muslims and Islamists. Islamists are very overt about what they stand for and what they want to achieve. Islamic State ( ISIS) are Islamists. Hamas operates under an Islamist banner. Its manifesto is an Islamist one. Islamists are extreme fundamentalists. Not all muslims are fundamentalists.

Ha! I'll tag you next time someone calls me a Labour activist or shill and you can stand up for me then!

I doubt it. My guess is they will ignore the issue

It's not fascist for women or anyone to have boundaries.
It's not fascist to point out that some schools have ignored the legal requirement for them to politically impartial and allowed political lobby groups to advocate for the removal of women's sport, single sex spaces including showers and dormitories, the removal of the language of women and more.
It's not fascist to point out that national and local government (including the civil service) are required to operate impartially and not to favour family, friends or political activist groups over the needs of citizens and society.

All of that is fundamental to living in a democratic society. Apologies for stating something so obvious, but evidently there are a few on this thread unfamiliar with how a functioning democratic society operates.