Will Labour introduce Self ID & curb free speech?

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I’ve never voted Tory, but as a lesbian woman who plans to have children (and obviously as a woman!) I am and will be part of the three groups most affected by Gender Ideology; women, lesbian and soon I hope a Mother. I am really worried about what happens when Labour takes power. The Tories have been rubbish no arguments there but at least they are finally moving against the steam rolling of Gender Ideology. I’m thinking Labour are not that fiscally different to the Tories and have said they will not cap bankers bonuses and they don’t intend to increase public spending in a significant way.

Really concerned about more gender identity clinics popping up under Labour and Keir Starmer possibly curbing free speech via so - called hate laws (in the feminist circle i run in we all agree this is a euphemism for silencing women about men in female prisons, rape shelters and other areas where women are vulnerable).

wonder what everyone else thinking?

You are making yourself look ridiculous.
Trans'women' are men as you well know.

I also think you are taking the piss so am not longer engaging with you.

To you? Oh no! However will I gain your respect?

No no, we need more education!

I'm absolutely serious but if you can't get your head around the concept that's not my problem.

You've finally realised! Get reading!

I forgot to ask what the consequences would be for breaking these laws. It would need to be pretty harsh punishment to scare the shit out of the hundreds of thousands of people who believe twam. Would it be straight to jail or would the starting point be more lenient with re-education for first offenders and jail only reserved for the very very naughty women who repeatedly refuse to cooperate. Perhaps they would show leniency for rape victims who accidentally assumed their rapist was male so long as they get it right by the time it’s heard in court. Those poor rapists really find it very difficult indeed when they are mercilessly misgendered.

You have to watch RuPaul's Drag Race continuously for 12 hours a day til you see the light.

With Owen Jones's podcast played in the background while you sleep

We need a full reading list and where we can get these materials for free.

Also. Have you thought about giving online seminars for us on YouTube so we can all get educated?

At least you are honest this training is akin to psychological torture.

I've never watched or listened to either tbh, but I'm sure they're both great in their different ways.

So you won't even torture yourself with it?

I'm pretty sure we don't agree on lots of things but you are factual in your style which I appreciate

It's weird isn't it?
There also appears to be no reflection as to why a GC feminist, floating voter like myself might be attracted to Keir Starmers Labour Party.

Meanwhile the Conservative back benches are trying to block a motion to stop MPs accused of serious sexual offences attending Parliament. That's the kind of thing that puts the lie to their "womens rights" shtick

Yes!

I'd happily watch/listen. I just haven't got around to it in today's overcrowded entertainment landscape. Too much content, too little time!

Alexandra2001
But instead of women (on here) demanding change, its all about fucking toilets.

No, it really isn’t.

I think we disagree on many issues but I love how you inhabit reality rather than your own self-penned Handmaid's Tale fanfic, and find your posts to be very thoughtful and well written.

Yep, I think Alexandra has spectacularly missed the point.

Edit - typo.

I think Alexandra has nailed it. Slam dunk. (Sorry for mixed metaphors.)

Wow. I see I missed a good few pages of cliquey snarking with a sprinkle of head girl thrown in.

I don't think Alexandra missed the point at all. You don't share her opinion, that's fine. I do though, and I'm sure others do too

Ahh but toilets are a good place to start.
Because society can’t stop violence from men against women.
And society can’t stop men’s voyeuristic crimes against women.
So if we have ‘gender neutral’ mixed sex toilets, they have to be fully enclosed.
Therefore more dangerous for everyone.
Particularly disabled and medically vulnerable people of both sexes.

Alexandra spectacularly missed the point

Or maybe you did

Sorry, you what now? Fully enclosed gender neutral toilets are no longer acceptable?
Neatly proving Alexandra's point there....

Most toilet stalls in the UK (outside of schools) have doors that go right down to the floor, and rightly so. This is a nonsensical argument imported from America, where all this toilet nonsense was dreamed up in the first place.