JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again

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How the metro can put out this tweet which effectively suggests a woman shouldn't be allowed to speak is beyond me. Shocked but not surprised. Comments are heartening though, as is the ratio.

a bit late to this thread. Can anyone tell me if that million quid for identifying anything, at all, ever, that JKR said which was transphobic was collected?

For those who are claiming JKR’s recent activities are ‘showing that it's not just about "reasonable concerns" at all’ it seems perfectly obvious to me that we have two separate things occurring.

1. She continues to post in ways that are sensible, reasoned and accurately describing the clash of rights that occurs when some men are allowed to claim they are women and are treated as if they are.

2. She is involved in a personal and increasing bitter spat with a man who has targeted her and that she (accurately) identifies as being abusive.

When even K. Montgomery thinks you’re going too far, then the abuse you’re handing out must be pretty bad. Pointing out the truth to a man who is weaponising his “gender identity” and trying to force women into lying, while at the same time calling them names and hinting at threats of violence towards them is not a sign of transphobia. It may not be dignified, but it’s both understandable and (on occasion) funny.

And I don’t think Willoughby is panicking, as such. I don’t think “trans rights” are at the forefront of any of the utterances we’ve seen. It’s all about demanding personal dignity, but it’s never reciprocated. The videos are very revealing.

It has been noted before that transitioning men sometimes feel intense rage and jealousy towards women. Some of them believe they’ve worked so hard to get here and demeaned themselves (because being a woman is lesser). Yet despite all that, people still don’t see them as women. They know themselves that they aren’t women. And those pesky women who’ve had womanhood handed to them on a plate and don’t even appreciate it drive them to depths of rage that are so extreme that it starts to become an excuse for threats. I think this is a perfect demonstration of that phenomenon.

Nor is threatening to kidnap three women, including JK Rowling.

I believe that Joanna Cherry reported it to the Police.

Have you missed that part, falafels?

So, a woman who is replying to a person who has gleefully threatened to kidnap her and two other women is now having to offer the respect to that male tweeter of using preferred pronouns and performing philosophical belief adherence? To be clearer, a woman who has been abused by a male person is expected to use that abuser’s preferred pronouns?

Well. I guess we are getting a more and more refined answer to the question of how far certain posters and people in society will go in following misogynistic belief even when it shows directly how harmful it is to women and girls.

Or are you now going to deny that Willoughby is an abuser? Or are you going to deny that you believe that women and girls should still perform the belief for trans identifying males even when those males are abusers?

I think that yesterday’s Twitter experience has now shown up the flaw in the ‘respect’ pronouns position. It is one that those declaring that they will use preferred pronouns for some male people and not others have a completely inconsistent and incoherent position. And that term ultra should never have been coined.

Because one person’s view on what is abusive to women and children, individually and collectively, is so radically different from another. Having this subjective line was never a defendable position.

Willoughby has made deliberately offensive, crass, racist, sexist, homophobic and threatening tweets for years. Including horribly insulting tweets directed at JKR, overtly accusing her murder, etc

JKR has now called Willoughby a man.

It's a statement of fact, even if some find it offensive.

I suppose we will find out if a person with a trans identity is allowed to do and say whatever they want with impunity, including slurs and defamation, and nobody is allowed to point out the thing that is apparently rendering them untouchable, which is to say them claiming to be the opposite sex.

Do misogynistic men get to abuse women with impunity if they claim a trans identity?

I think it's sheer rage rather than panic. Pure impotent rage that women, who they consider to be a pathetic weak version of men, are allowed to speak. They particularly hate JKR because they can't force her to shut up and to deny reality. They particularly hate being laughed at.

I'm sure most of us have known men like that at some point.

It's all about who is allowed to speak. I've noticed this more and more. Gender ideology is all based to a phenomenal degree on the silencing of women's voices.

This.

It seems some posters believe that this should be so.

I remember a poster who once made fun of a women of colour’s fake tan. But that poster has continued to deny they did this and posts regularly about how racist others are. The hypocrisy of some people’s, including Willoughby’s, stances is very clear once you start remembering what has been posted over time. What is consistent though is their determination to be seen as kind and tolerant.

It's also a belief in innate authority over and superiority to women.

What do you think this non reciprocity is about?

"You must use whatever language I command or else, if you try to tell me your language I will call it hate. I will define you. You will shut up and submit to me. Resistance is hate and makes you subhuman and deserving of my punishment.'

This bark of 'respect' basically means 'bow'. Submit. Prostrate yourself. It's a command to see that label of 'trans' in itself as a signal that this person is far superior to you and you must supply and serve.

With rage and increasingly obvious instability and sometimes quite sociopathic responses in some cases when you fail to supply or perform submissive placation on demand. Kidnap threats. Death and rape threats. These are tediously frequently normal.

Really?

Debbie Hayton disagrees with you on that one.

It’s acceptance without exception, right? Except for IW, it’s acceptance only if you agree with IW.

They're all men,regardless of what they call themselves.

Dh does not self “gender” as a man. DH acknowledges the reality of biology and than identifying as a woman does not result in a change of sex. As DH genders as a woman, IW failed to follow IW’s own rules on misgendering

I understand why some GC women use preferred pronouns for trans people and I don't think it's productive to insist that they stop. Having said that, I do think they unwittingly help perpetuate the idea that it is cruel to use correct pronouns.

Hadley Freeman and others have said that pronouns aren't magic, and don't change men's sex or give them the right to enter women's spaces. But in today's culture, they do in practice allow men to ignore women's boundaries and punish us when we point this out.

JK Rowling said IW is a man in explanation of why he shouldn't be in women's spaces. This was the subject of at least two news items within hours. News headline - woman says a man is a man. I love Kathleen Stock, but there's no fictionalising here. There's mass delusion and an outrageous taboo.

It's actually been collected a dozen times on this thread alone. Lot of Millionaires posting in FWR now. Better behave.

Actually you’re right. It is not panic. It’s sheer rage, as another person posted.

‘I think it's sheer rage rather than panic. Pure impotent rage that women, who they consider to be a pathetic weak version of men, are allowedto speak. They particularly hate JKR because they can't force her to shut up and to deny reality. They particularly hate being laughed at.

I'm sure most of us have known men like that at some point’

I am looking forward to Joanne’s take on the WPATH files. I suspect it will ‘destabilise ‘ many people. As it fucking should.

How is it NOT a legitimate concern to highlight how certain male activists who identify as women retain male pattern behaviour and harass, threaten and abuse women (not men who highlight the same issues) in this way?

It is entirely the point that these males are deeply misogynistic DESPITE their identities and believe women are below them and worthy of this level of contempt.

IW has been poking JKR with a stick for some time. I’ve even seen at least one IW tweet asking JKR to sue. There may have been others, but IW has been practically begging for a direct response from JKR. And now here is JKR and IW hasn’t enjoyed it.

Even richer, I don’t think any of JKR’s tweets have been in direct reply to IW 😄

Where on the thread was that mentioned? Or are you doing that weird thing again where you think everybody knows everything all of the time just because you yourself do? 🙄
No, that's not OK either bore.

Apparently red, headlines are not written with intention, tweets should not be considered as serious communications so misogyny and abuse can be easily dismissed.

And that dismissal can, in itself, be considered a misogynistic act. But ah. Forgot, it would be all just hyperbole. Because apparently words can only ever have an explicit meaning… I am sure many writers out there will be devastated to hear all that work in building tone was worth fuck all.

WTAF?

Have you not done your own research before posting?

How odd that Falafels spent a lot of time saying to people earlier on this thread 'Are you on Twitter? Have you read JKR's latest tweets?' and thereby implying that Falafels was fully up to speed with them, and yet Falafels has somehow to miss the extremely salient point that IW has had a visit from the police about tweeting about wanting to kidnap JKR and Joanna Cherry.

@SabrinaThwaite posted a screenshot of this tweet at 1904 yesterday on this very thread, so Falafels didn't even need to look at Twitter.