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BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.

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Heylo · 26/02/2024 15:13

Has anyone seen this recent article on the transgender (trans woman) Scarlett Blake who was sentenced to 24 years today for murdering a man. Blake also killed a cat. Pls see this recent article from bbc news. BBC news puts nowhere in article that Blake is transgender. Uses pronouns ‘she’ and refers to Blake as a woman.

bbc article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68401335

These are not our crimes. I am reporting the omission of the fact Blake is transgender to Ofcom. I wonder if anyone is thinking the same (about reporting to ofcom, here is the link: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints )

Make a complaint

Ofcom may be able to help you complain about phone, broadband and postal services, TV, radio and on-demand programmes, interference to wireless devices, or something you have seen on a video-sharing platform.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints

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Saltandpeppero · 26/02/2024 18:59

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 18:52

You couldn't be more racist or ablist if you tried.

Men commit over 90% of violent crimes and over 98% of sexual offending. The difference in offending rates between different racial groups is so small as to be statistical noise and is negligible in practice. Disabled people are more likely to be assaulted than to commit assault.

Comparing sex to race is racist. Comparing sex to disability is ablist. And both are sexist.

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Yeah, however you stand on this issue I don’t even get the comparison that poster is making.

The equivalence would more be if they were reporting say a white killer and stating it was a black person or vice versa.

Or portraying a crime committed by a non-disabled person, as one committed by a disabled person.

Also by asking OP if she would want a disclaimer that those aren’t her crimes, she’s effectively assumed the Op is not an ethnic minority or disabled herself.

GreenYoshi12 · 26/02/2024 18:59

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 18:58

Murder is a majority-male crime. This report makes it look like a woman did it when in fact a man did. This slanders women as a class.

How does it slander women?

wubwubwub · 26/02/2024 18:59

AllGrownUp1465 · 26/02/2024 15:19

I mean, there are bigger things to worry about and they’ve already changed it. Seems like a non-issue 😵‍💫

What's bigger than stopping women's history being incorrect?
Why should women be tarred with mens crimes?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:00

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/02/2024 18:40

Worth remembering that his placement in a male prison has only happened because of a massive campaign from women - especially KPSS - to get these dangerous men out of women's prisons. The trans captured MoJ had been leading the charge to wedge all of them into the women's estate. They still have a "no male with convictions for violence / sex crimes - except in very special circumstances that we won't explain but will use whenever the transactivists in the MoJ decide they want a "special" violent man in prison with women"

Infuriating and unforgivable.

This.

Punxsatawnyphil · 26/02/2024 19:00

I feel like the media outlets have used woman as clickbait as it is such a shocking story for a female to have done this. If this story was reported as male, it would have been missed in the thousands of other violent crimes committed by men.

Jackiebrambles · 26/02/2024 19:02

Punxsatawnyphil · 26/02/2024 19:00

I feel like the media outlets have used woman as clickbait as it is such a shocking story for a female to have done this. If this story was reported as male, it would have been missed in the thousands of other violent crimes committed by men.

Yes I agree with this. They have included the facts about him being biologically male right at the bottom to keep people reading/on the site longer. As most people reading will go ‘wow this is an unusual crime for a woman…..ahhh’

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:03

I think that's true, but they are obviously misrepresenting the truth by referring to him as a woman (and his "girlfriend" in America who he was trying to impress who stitched him up who is also a man) and they are going to be called out on it. Interesting to see what will happen now.

SweetcornFritter · 26/02/2024 19:04

GreenYoshi12 · 26/02/2024 18:59

How does it slander women?

Women would prefer not to be blamed for gruesome sexual crimes that men have committed. I can’t claim to speak for all women but I supect most would agree with me.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:05

@ArabellaScott thread in AIBU demonstrates that this was happening on Friday when he was convicted and has carried on until the sentencing today. People following the court case only found out for sure (though many people suspected) when Blake himself was on the stand.

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:06

Rightsraptor · 26/02/2024 15:27

And there they are, the naysayers - right on cue.

Yes it does fucking matter @AllGrownUp1465. These hideous acts are being recorded as having been committed by a woman when they were committed by a man and are typically male crimes. Women seldom commit crimes anything like these.

Our history is being altered by these wretches. Our future is being compromised by these devils.

Don't tell me it doesn't matter.

'Women don't commit crimes like that' So you've never heard of Myra Hindley, Beverly Allitt, Lucy Letby, the various female guards at Nazi concentration camps et al

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:06

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman. http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5014437-to-be-angry-that-scarlet-blake-is-being-called-a-woman

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:07

Women don't commit crimes like that' So you've never heard of Myra Hindley, Beverly Allitt, Lucy Letby, the various female guards at Nazi concentration camps et al

Female murderers overall, let alone sexual sadists, are extremely rare. Most evidence suggests that MTFs have a male pattern of crime.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 19:08

GreenYoshi12 · 26/02/2024 18:59

How does it slander women?

By making it look like a woman killed a cat and a human when in fact a man did.

Peskysquirrel · 26/02/2024 19:08

Balhammom · 26/02/2024 18:12

Curious if OP also takes the same approach with ethnic minorities or perhaps the disabled. If they commit crimes, does she also require a disclaimer because they’re not “her” crimes?

I couldn’t care less if someone I’ve never met is the same gender as me or not. Utterly immaterial.

There are many fair arguments and issues around trans, but this is just weird bigotry.

Do explain how you know the OP is not from an ethnic minority background or doesn't have a disability?

Quite some assumptions you made there.

Weird whataboutery.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:09

Curious if OP also takes the same approach with ethnic minorities or perhaps the disabled. If they commit crimes, does she also require a disclaimer because they’re not “her” crimes?

Don't be silly. Scarlet Blake is a man. Not a woman. The media needs to tell the truth.

fabio12 · 26/02/2024 19:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:05

@ArabellaScott thread in AIBU demonstrates that this was happening on Friday when he was convicted and has carried on until the sentencing today. People following the court case only found out for sure (though many people suspected) when Blake himself was on the stand.

I wonder if they get sentenced as harshly as women for murder? I seem to remember people get foamy mouthed at female murderers and they get longer sentences. I know women are imprisoned for things men get community service for (food theft etc). I guess the more of these that happen the more data we will have.

Blakessevenrideagain · 26/02/2024 19:10

fabio12 · 26/02/2024 18:58

I personally think that once a crime is committed and sentencing reported they should be referred to in their biological sex by authorities and news outlets rather than whatever they choose.

Both victims and perpetrators. Biological sex should be used in all official capacities.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:12

It should always be recorded by biological sex, however I think it's also relevant to record the transgender identity of both victims and perpetrators, so any patterns in the data can be observed.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 19:14

If someone like Rachael Dolezal or Benjamin Butterworth committed a crime like this and was reported as being Black, there would be widespread outrage and people calling out the double-dose of racism inherent in a white perp claiming to be Black and the press upholding and repeating that claim.

Yet women are called bigoted etc when a male murderer claims to be a woman and we object to this. Why are women the only class of people expected to tolerate this collective slander?

ShesGotAHeartOfGold · 26/02/2024 19:15

RIP Jorge. What a needless death of a beloved brother and son.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:16

Apparently he was a triplet. So devastating for his family in Spain.

MrSand · 26/02/2024 19:16

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:06

'Women don't commit crimes like that' So you've never heard of Myra Hindley, Beverly Allitt, Lucy Letby, the various female guards at Nazi concentration camps et al

You poster you're replying to didn't say 'Women don't commit crimes like that', or anything similar, despite the quote marks you placed around it. She made a careful, precise, factual statement which you seem to have ignored because it's impossible to argue with, and instead argued against some fantasy debate opponent who exists only in your head.

This is a great example of the inability of TRAs to debate or discuss honestly.

Iafontaine · 26/02/2024 19:19

Yes it really needs to be made clear that this is a man. This must be a big problem in criminology (and compromises present and future research) but the silence is deafening. I am presently doing an LLM in Cambridge (I am a lawyer on a sabbatical from another country) and it's been interesting how little those academics active in trans-affected subjects will engage critically with the subject or at all, but that's perhaps for another thread.

DuesToTheDirt · 26/02/2024 19:20

GreenYoshi12 · 26/02/2024 18:56

They mentioned it then because her being trans was a main issue and cause in her death. This is not a trans issue which is why it’s not mentioned. It’s murder plain and simple.

You know differently from everyone else then. Brianna's death was nothing to do with trans issues, aside perhaps from being vulnerable. I take it you are aware there were 5 teenagers on the hit list, and none of the others were trans. Brianna was the second one they tried to kill, after failing to enage the first one.

I don't care btw whether Scarlet Blake is trans or not. The issue is that HE IS A MAN, A MAN, A FUCKING MAN.

SanctuaryCity · 26/02/2024 19:20

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:06

'Women don't commit crimes like that' So you've never heard of Myra Hindley, Beverly Allitt, Lucy Letby, the various female guards at Nazi concentration camps et al

Thank you for making our point perfectly. Women don’t commit crimes like this. You have listed 2 women who killed babies, an accomplice to a male psychopath from 60 years ago and female guards from 80 years ago.

This was a male crime committed by a trans woman egged on by another trans woman. Transwomen retain male offending patterns