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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Helleofabore · 21/02/2024 09:21

WickedSerious · 21/02/2024 08:43

His mother sounds like a proper dollop.

Yep.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/02/2024 09:41

Bridges expressed concerns about her safety if she were to compete alongside men

Why does no one ever ask for an elaboration of these ‘concerns’? What does Emily believe that male cyclists would do to her? Try to barge her ( well, that happens, but it’s not restricted to TW as victims). Laugh at her in the changing rooms, Aka ‘banter’ ? Not invite her for a drink after training? Look the other way in the locker room ? All quite possible.

Physical assault ? Pretty unlikely since it would result in disqualification, professional cycling has a lot of oversight about that sort of behaviour. Sexual assault ……🫣, well, yes , that’s always a concern for women who are around men in intimate situations, so I understand and sympathise totally.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 21/02/2024 09:57

Why does no one ever ask for an elaboration of these ‘concerns’? What does Emily believe that male cyclists would do to her?

TRA use saftey to mean lots of things physical saftey, the saftey around passing, and emotional saftey - the idea that others respect their identity.

Given that theres no physical danger to compete with other men, and he is publicly fighting to be in the womens race- he could be doing this anonymously, my guess is it's all about emotional saftey.

I think that as it becomes clear that there is and will always be physical differences between men and women, TRA will try to redefine women sport away from physical ability to something around mental heath.

The mens and open categories will be about finding the best athlete, the womens will be about participation, or something.

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2024 09:59

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/02/2024 09:41

Bridges expressed concerns about her safety if she were to compete alongside men

Why does no one ever ask for an elaboration of these ‘concerns’? What does Emily believe that male cyclists would do to her? Try to barge her ( well, that happens, but it’s not restricted to TW as victims). Laugh at her in the changing rooms, Aka ‘banter’ ? Not invite her for a drink after training? Look the other way in the locker room ? All quite possible.

Physical assault ? Pretty unlikely since it would result in disqualification, professional cycling has a lot of oversight about that sort of behaviour. Sexual assault ……🫣, well, yes , that’s always a concern for women who are around men in intimate situations, so I understand and sympathise totally.

I assume Emily has heard women talk about their fears for safety in sport if categories become mixed sex and has seen it as an opporchancity to try and coerce people into imagining Emily has the same fears, being as Emily is a proper woman with nail polish and long hair and everything.

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2024 10:02

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 20/02/2024 22:13

It's not allowed to shove female cyclists off the track, but Killips, a male transitioner, repeatedly got away with that in a race. They is on film using their bike as a weapon to push Hannah Arensman over, and the officials just ignored it.

Thanks to @UltraLiteLife who found the cyclists' names.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12462811/trans-olympic-cyclist-Austin-Killips-shove-scandal.html

Olympic cycling champ slams umpires over Austin Killips controversy

Inga Thompson has claimed controversial trans cyclist Ausin Killips was not immediately disqualified because the umpires were too afraid of being labelled 'transphobic'. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12462811/trans-olympic-cyclist-Austin-Killips-shove-scandal.html

SinnerBoy · 21/02/2024 10:31

Ooh, I missed that one!

AliceA2021 · 21/02/2024 10:40

Helleofabore · 20/02/2024 22:00

Not to derail, but this volleyball game in Canada is a reminder of where that basketball game can end up. Five male athletes spread across two teams. We have already seen cycling podium finishes with first and second places going to these male athletes instead of female athletes.

But fair eh?

Outrage as FIVE transgender students dominate the volleyball court at a women's college varsity game - as biological females are kicked down to the bench | Daily Mail Online

Edited

The video is really interesting watching.

Some of these biological men are getting scholarships for their tuition based on their playing their sport in the women's team. They stayed on the court throughout the match whilst biological women without their strength, size and advantage, were kept watching on the sub bench. Pushed aside by biological men who say they are women.

Why don't more women stand up against this nonsense. Why simper for the men who feel like women. Woman up and stand up for women.

FrippEnos · 21/02/2024 11:36

Its interesting that EB says that they left the team when they didn't make the cut for the team.

FrippEnos · 21/02/2024 11:36

slowdaysloegin · 20/02/2024 22:21

I caught a bit of the interview at work in a patients room and I had to snort that it is "violence against trans people"

When did the word violence change meaning? Violence means physical... well... violence, no? Violence doesn't mean disagreeing with someone by using biological facts that they don't like? Am I being violent towards a flat Earther when I state that the world is in fact, a spherical shape? Is debate now GBH? Arguing over what to have for dinner is assault?

The TRAs have used "literal violence" since they started this with the #nodate.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/02/2024 11:39

Literal Violence
Genocide
Murder

all mean

We want into women's stuff and you better not stop us.

SamW98 · 21/02/2024 11:49

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/02/2024 11:39

Literal Violence
Genocide
Murder

all mean

We want into women's stuff and you better not stop us.

All seem to translate to ‘looked at me a bit funny’

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/02/2024 12:39

FrippEnos · 21/02/2024 11:36

The TRAs have used "literal violence" since they started this with the #nodate.

I know that #nodate is a typo, but it reminded me of how incels claim that women running a mile from their sorry asses is oppression. The tactics used by TRAs to claim that hurt feelings are violence and the tactics used by incels to claim that lack of sex is oppression are the same tactics.

Both movements are manifestations of the age-old belief that too many men share: that women aren't allowed to say no to them.

Projectme · 21/02/2024 12:44

WingingItSince1973 · 20/02/2024 19:12

Oh my days! What a self pitying interview! So you feel unsafe around men and don't want to race in an uncategorised race? Well how do you think us women feel about men in our spaces???

couldn't have said it better myself. I'm raging about his words about feeling 'unsafe around men'!!! 😡

WickedSerious · 21/02/2024 12:47

Projectme · 21/02/2024 12:44

couldn't have said it better myself. I'm raging about his words about feeling 'unsafe around men'!!! 😡

Man feels unsafe around men.

Sort it out women!

MikeRafone · 21/02/2024 12:51

RedToothBrush · 20/02/2024 18:01

Love the bias in the headline.

Here's the quote:
The new rules forbade transgender cyclists from competing with biological women, and resulted in an “open” category. To Bridges, however, that constitutes a ban.

“A ban is a ban. You can say you can compete in the open category, but we’re women – we should be able to race in the women’s category,” she said.

Bridges has NOT been banned from cycling. There is no ban of transgender cyclists. Transgender cyclists can compete in the open category.

This is to protect the integrity of women's sport.

Bridges doesn't want to respect this decision and 'train harder' to be competitive in the open category.

And the article is supporting that bias rather than challenging it, in the headline.

Bridges has not been banned form competing against woman - the open category, is just that and any woman can enter if they wish - can they not? Just because they don't want to.....

BoreOfWhabylon · 21/02/2024 13:06

I read somewhere that being on the 'elite' squad means that the athlete is being paid a salary in order to concentrate on full-time training. Loss of the elite status means having to earn a living elsewhere.

Unless, of course, a non-elite male is accepted on to the female elite squad instead.

Signalbox · 21/02/2024 13:19

Why does no one ever ask for an elaboration of these ‘concerns’? What does Emily believe that male cyclists would do to her?

I think the idea is that by competing with men it will “out” a TW as not being an actual woman so they will be at risk from society as a whole. This argument assumes that we are all oblivious Bridges’ obvious maleness and it would only dawn on us if Bridges competed with other men.

CactusMactus · 21/02/2024 13:32

He's got a very big spam.

Froodwithatowel · 21/02/2024 13:49

At this point the world and its wife knows that Emily is a male person with a TQ+ identity, because Emily has told the press at length.

So no, I don't think competing in a category other than the women's is going to 'out' Emily, Emily has outed themselves very thoroughly without this proving in any way dangerous. Unless you count the genocide of hearing the word 'no'

SinnerBoy · 21/02/2024 16:20

BoreOfWhabylon · Today 13:06

Unless, of course, a non-elite male is accepted on to the female elite squad instead.

As Zachily was place about 400th in the men's rankings, them probably wasn't elite enough to get paid. And as we've seen from women vs boys, a man may be ranked about 10,000th and still be faster than a female Olympic gold winner.

And them says that them has no advantage, which is probably another Humpty Dumptyinsm.

MrsToddsShortcut · 21/02/2024 16:30

Whichever you look at it, Emily is unusually tall which I would have thought was a fairly obvious advantage.

Poor Emily being banned from cycling again
FuzzyManul · 21/02/2024 16:41

That is the first time I have seen a photograph that shows more than Emily's head and shoulders. It definitely dispels any myths that Emily is a woman.

JanesLittleGirl · 21/02/2024 17:20

Just in case you think that the ratio of shoulder width to hip width is the result of the training regime, here's a picture of Dame Katherine Grainger, Britain's most successful woman rower:

Poor Emily being banned from cycling again
Froodwithatowel · 21/02/2024 17:24

FuzzyManul · 21/02/2024 16:41

That is the first time I have seen a photograph that shows more than Emily's head and shoulders. It definitely dispels any myths that Emily is a woman.

Not to mention Emily's interesting stated belief that they would only be recognised as a male with a TQ+ identity if participating outside of the women's category.

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