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Froodwithatowel · 20/02/2024 18:41

Oh please take it to court.

This male has nothing more than their wish to compete against females. Regardless of impact upon those females and their sport, regardless of anything except their own wishes and desires. The narcissism is quite spectacular.

LoobiJee · 20/02/2024 18:44

Have you watched the interview?

Bridges believes that a male cyclist who identifies as a transwoman could be believed to be a female cyclist by everyone else, if that male cyclist did not disclose their transgender status or had not previously had a career as a male cyclist. That seems to be the basis on which Bridges is arguing that the open category is unsafe -because a hypothetical successfully incognito male cyclist could be outed as male rather than female.

No explanation of why that would be unsafe. No suggestion that doing something about whatever (or whoever) is making that unsafe should be the solution. No, the only acceptable solution is that Bridges gets to take prizes away from women. Except that Bridges claims that Bridges is doing it “for others” not for themself.

Apollo441 · 20/02/2024 18:45

DadJoke · 20/02/2024 18:01

I think it will be a useful court case if it happens, whatever the outcome, as it will add case law to the Equality Act. I don't know of any other legal challenges.

(2)A person does not contravene section 29, 33, 34 or 35, so far as relating to gender reassignment, only by doing anything in relation to the participation of a transsexual person as a competitor in a gender-affected activity if it is necessary to do so to secure in relation to the activity—

(a)fair competition, or

(b)the safety of competitors.

I think there is a threatened court case from a transwoman in snooker or pool. The governing body said that they would fight it rather than roll over. Remains to be seen if they carry through the threat now the attempt to intimidate has failed.

Runor · 20/02/2024 18:51

Blimey, in cycling kit I don’t think there’s any disguising that hip angle Emily!

Helleofabore · 20/02/2024 18:52

Apollo441 · 20/02/2024 18:45

I think there is a threatened court case from a transwoman in snooker or pool. The governing body said that they would fight it rather than roll over. Remains to be seen if they carry through the threat now the attempt to intimidate has failed.

Yes Harriet Haynes said they were suing.

UltraLiteLife · 20/02/2024 18:54

Apollo441 · 20/02/2024 18:45

I think there is a threatened court case from a transwoman in snooker or pool. The governing body said that they would fight it rather than roll over. Remains to be seen if they carry through the threat now the attempt to intimidate has failed.

I would understand if Lynne Pinches mounted a case rather than the other way around. The governing body in this case seem to be acquiescing without an evidence base.

indigovapour · 20/02/2024 18:54

Well, good luck to Emily. It'll take real balls to undertake such a legal challenge...

ILikeDungs · 20/02/2024 18:55

So sad. Never mind.

Poor Emily being banned from cycling again
Helleofabore · 20/02/2024 18:57

LoobiJee · 20/02/2024 18:44

Have you watched the interview?

Bridges believes that a male cyclist who identifies as a transwoman could be believed to be a female cyclist by everyone else, if that male cyclist did not disclose their transgender status or had not previously had a career as a male cyclist. That seems to be the basis on which Bridges is arguing that the open category is unsafe -because a hypothetical successfully incognito male cyclist could be outed as male rather than female.

No explanation of why that would be unsafe. No suggestion that doing something about whatever (or whoever) is making that unsafe should be the solution. No, the only acceptable solution is that Bridges gets to take prizes away from women. Except that Bridges claims that Bridges is doing it “for others” not for themself.

Edited

Yeah. I read that.

Again, these medical treatments are these male people's choices. It is time to live life as an adult and understand that the world doesn't need to make sports a validating experience when female athletes are then disadvantaged. If these male people understood that other male people have to make similar decisions about treatment but don't get to compete in female sports categories, why the fuck should they?

LoobiJee · 20/02/2024 18:57

UltraLiteLife · 20/02/2024 18:11

To some extent, I understand that athletes like EB feel weaker and surmise it's the same as being female because that's their perception.

It's extraordinary how much people in general and particularly some men don't grasp that their perception is not the reality (in so many fields and dimensions).

This feels like the cycling equivalent of Dylan Mulvaney only in this case EB feels spinny and comparatively weak and perceives the LARPing is identical to the experience of women.

From what I’ve read, iirc, Bridges only started identifying as a member of the opposite sex after Bridges’ sporting performance was too poor for the men’s elite levels that Bridges was aiming for. I think there may have been an accident / injury which led to poor performance and then being dropped, as cycling is so competitive.

It leads to a suspicion that being dropped from the men’s squad and then seeking transfer to the women’s competition were not unconnected.

Motnight · 20/02/2024 19:07

Why does Bridges wonder if it would be dangerous for him to compete in the open category?

donquixotedelamancha · 20/02/2024 19:09

That interview is maddening:

E.B. [Competing in the open race] is not safe.

Any reasonable journalist: Oh right, why is that?

E.B. It normalises violence against trans people.

Not the guy from ITV: Could you explain that?

E.B. The judge said Transphobia was a factor in Brianna's murder.

If only someone had asked: and that means you should get to cycle with women why?

0psiedasiy · 20/02/2024 19:10

Just seen the interview with itv tonight, watched with my dh And he said 'but your not a woman' I felt like shouting out 'you have finally got it'! I'm so happy! I have been banging on about it for years and he's always been a bit live and let live...

WingingItSince1973 · 20/02/2024 19:12

Oh my days! What a self pitying interview! So you feel unsafe around men and don't want to race in an uncategorised race? Well how do you think us women feel about men in our spaces???

puffyisgood · 20/02/2024 19:13

hey, you can't keep a good man down.

WingingItSince1973 · 20/02/2024 19:13

I meant open category! Sorry have just woken up from a nap 😴😴😴

SamW98 · 20/02/2024 19:13

A ban is a ban. You can say you can compete in the open category, but we’re women – we should be able to race in the women’s category,” she said.

Reading this all I can hear is David Walliams character saying ‘but I’m a lady doing lady things’

fromorbit · 20/02/2024 19:14

Bridges is the UKs Lia Thomas.

If you remember British Cycling were totally captured and would have rolled over, but Bridges was so spectacularly obnoxious that it motivated mass resistance from women cyclists and British Cycling finally had to do something though it would have preferred not to.

Without Bridges women's elite cycling would be over in the UK.

I think it would only be fair if Bridges could be given an award for this - "best background male contribution to supporting women's cycling" perhaps

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 20/02/2024 19:17

Please go to court please go to court please go to court

AliceA2021 · 20/02/2024 19:19

'He's a lady doing lady things' and so should be allowed to do whatever wants. That's man's thinking, move aside women here I come., grt out the way. Me, me, ME.

Sod off. All women's sports for biological women.

suafa · 20/02/2024 19:21

Every time the camera panned back to show Emily and the interviewer I couldn't help but notice their size difference.

Seat Emily next to a group of female cyclists and the height, reach and strength difference would clearly demonstrate how unfair it would be for Emily to compete.

EmilysNailVarnish · 20/02/2024 19:22

I am thankful for Emily and his mum for pushing this issue into the public’s consciousness. They finally forced cycling to stop hiding from the issue. British Cycling and Cycling Time Trials have now changed their policy but we must remember that British Cycling still allow self-id in non-competitive womens cycling and Audax UK hasn’t budged one bit.

Wizzadorra70 · 20/02/2024 19:27

What an interview. Emily is feeling rather sorry for themselves.

Has she ever thought that wearing lycra sort of gives her penis away....??

MrsMitford3 · 20/02/2024 19:30

Bridges expressed concerns about her safety if she were to compete alongside men and disapproved of transgender women being compelled to disclose their identity in order to participate in the category."

The screaming hypocrisy of this-so it wouldn't be safe for Emily to race with the men which Emily did fairly recently but still can't see how Emily-a biological male- would make women feel unsafe if they had to race against Emily in the women's division.

It is NOT a ban. One can race against others that are the same biologically.

We can't all get everything we want exactly how we want it. And his choices have consequences. Like this.

Motnight · 20/02/2024 19:31

donquixotedelamancha · 20/02/2024 19:09

That interview is maddening:

E.B. [Competing in the open race] is not safe.

Any reasonable journalist: Oh right, why is that?

E.B. It normalises violence against trans people.

Not the guy from ITV: Could you explain that?

E.B. The judge said Transphobia was a factor in Brianna's murder.

If only someone had asked: and that means you should get to cycle with women why?

I think that even asking Bridges about competing in the open category is something that wouldn't have happened a year ago.

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