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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbian members club to only allow biological women

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JanesLittleGirl · 18/02/2024 12:52

"A FEMINIST campaigner is to open the UK’s first lesbian members bar that will only allow biological women to join.

The bar, named the L Community, is due to open in London later this year and will operate as a private members club so that it can bar trans women.

The bar has been set up by Jenny Watson, who in September last year was at the centre of a transphobia row after she insisted only “adult human females” could attend the lesbian speed-dating events she had organised."

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I'll get an archive link in a bit.

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ollypollymolly · 21/02/2024 18:05

But really - why do you all care so much? So far you think it will make things more difficult for butch lesbians, it might not make money, it might attract boring only-vagina-Loving lesbians, who are nasty and not inclusive.

Do you go on the Litter tray threads and tell them off for not owning dogs, coz you do ?

back to Jenny and the club. Well done that woman!

TempleOfBloom · 21/02/2024 18:05

(@DadJoke NONE of my lesbian friends think TWAW in terms of sexual attraction or access into women’s spaces. However supportive they are of TW right to live their lives free of harassment and prejudice for being trans).

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 21/02/2024 18:06

I can’t imagine a lesbian having a penis, yet here we

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This would make a great T Shirt slogan Confused

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/02/2024 18:11

So I had a look at one of the ‘person mistook a ( natal) woman for a trans woman’ cases helpfully provided by Dad.

it seems that the misapprehension may have been chemically aided

’ Bailey’s lawyers told the court he had “induced psychosis” after taking a significant number of intoxicants, and was under “the delusional belief that the victim was a predatory pedophile”

That’s lawyer speak for ‘out of his brains’ .Person making the ‘mistake’ was a bloke on a binge, basically.

PriOn1 · 21/02/2024 18:14

DadJoke · 21/02/2024 13:39

These examples really aren't hard to find.

"“I find it incredibly upsetting that this is a fight that is meant to be about my rights, and <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/KI1YJ/inews.co.uk/news/uk/international-lesbian-day-five-people-share-experiences-348400" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">some sort of desire to save lesbians, as if we are going extinct,” she said. “In practice it is making my life harder is making the life of my friends and my colleagues in my community, it’s making the lives of LBT women harder, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/KI1YJ/inews.co.uk/topic/lgbtq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">in particular for butch and gender non-confirming people,” she said.
“There isn’t there is absolutely no reason to <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/KI1YJ/inews.co.uk/topic/transgender" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">make that an attack on the rights of trans people because they are <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/KI1YJ/inews.co.uk/topic/lgbtq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">part of my community, and part of our community, and our fight is a shared fight,” she added."

https://archive.is/KI1YJ

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/butch-lesbian-public-toilet-women-abuse-government-review-gender-neutral-facilities-833787

I did look up that woman once. She was a Stoneball employee and it’s absolutely clear she is lying about her experiences.

My daughter is a butch lesbian. She has never once been challenged in a women’s toilet and she looks much more butch than the very obviously feminine woman in the picture in your link.

It’s propaganda from the pro-trans lobby. Believe it if you will, but it’s bullshit of the highest order from women with a vested interest.

ScierraDoll · 21/02/2024 18:18

👏👏👏

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/02/2024 18:32

This thread has taken a grim turn. But it mirrors what's happening to young lesbians today. Back in the day I went to numerous lesbian only events - clubs, bars, cafe, rooms upstairs in pubs - and we were universally left alone. Nobody stood outside demonstrating or complaining about us meeting without men. We were quietly welcomed and left to socialise, meet, whatever.

But now misogynistic men have such arrogance that they seek out places where women and lesbians meet / talk in order to gaslight, harass and belittle lesbians. They lurk unwanted and uninvited & try to undermine the rights of lesbians to be same sex attracted, openly promoting a rape culture where young lesbians are threatened if they fail to accept sex with men.

Their threats never stop - whether they're spouting Stonewall law, imposing their view of women's sexuality or just being downright creepy.
My heart breaks for young women trying to navigate this cesspit .
I wish Jenny every success for this and hope that these men will leave her and other lesbians alone.

nothingcomestonothing · 21/02/2024 18:40

I've had the opportunity to dig around in my meme collection (not a euphemism) a couple of times today. I couldnt decide on one for this thread, so here are two:

Lesbian members club to only allow biological women
Lesbian members club to only allow biological women
NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/02/2024 18:42

PriOn1 · 21/02/2024 18:14

I did look up that woman once. She was a Stoneball employee and it’s absolutely clear she is lying about her experiences.

My daughter is a butch lesbian. She has never once been challenged in a women’s toilet and she looks much more butch than the very obviously feminine woman in the picture in your link.

It’s propaganda from the pro-trans lobby. Believe it if you will, but it’s bullshit of the highest order from women with a vested interest.

Stonewall's associate director of policy and research, to be precise.

The UK is full of sensibly-dressed women with short hair and glasses, who are never out of jeans and a jumper. None of them seem to get bothered in the toilets.

Maaate · 21/02/2024 18:59

DadJoke · 21/02/2024 17:59

The point I originally made before I was accused of making all sorts of other points I didn't make. That is, it's unlikely to be commercially viable.

No, your original point was to say they had no way of keeping tw out.

lechiffre55 · 21/02/2024 19:47

DadJoke · 21/02/2024 17:59

The point I originally made before I was accused of making all sorts of other points I didn't make. That is, it's unlikely to be commercially viable.

And if it's not comercially viable? Jenny will have given it her best shot. Let the market decide.
The thing is that when people choose what bar,restaurant,club,etc... they go to they include quite a few factors into that decision. One decision that has been literally denied to lesbians since the gender woowoo started is the choice of a female only lesbian space. Jenny's club will be the only place offering that. Some lesbians may find a female only lesbian space very attractive. Imagine no latex encased erections in a lesbian bar, how cool would that be?
Some people may choose to fund the place out of principal e.g. JKR chucking £70K into the Supreme Court crowdfunder. That's not a decision of commerical interests but of moral principal.

I'm sure the lesbians with penises will find Jenny's club the most extra attractive space of all the spaces, but and because they can't go there.
I think some people are far more worried that Jenny will succeed than they pretend to be concerned it's not comercially viable.
Make your own spaces! You can even exclude the lesbians without penises, I'm sure they will be utterly devastated.

I wish Jenny all the best for her club.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 21/02/2024 20:28

I suspect a lot of angry men will go out of their way to try to ensure the endeavour is ‘not financially viable’.

Failure in such a politically charged context - where a lot of angry activists will campaign to ruin a business - is not indicative that lesbians don’t want spaces for lesbians without male people claiming them for themselves.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 21/02/2024 20:34

SamW98 · 21/02/2024 14:46

As a straight woman I don’t have any skin in this game however I’m just wondering why if there’s so many TW inclusive lesbian events already happening, why anyone is concerned about ONE private members club for gay biological women.
No one is losing anything that don’t already currently have so how is anyone put out by this? Just carry on going to the inclusive events and ignore this one - it’s not difficult

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Because they hate women.

suggestionsplease1 · 21/02/2024 21:03

Lesbian spaces have always struggled to be fair; we tend to use them to couple up, then we stay at home and only venture out again when single 😂. Cliche, but there is some truth in it.

Gay men tend to have a more consistent presence out on the scene regardless of relationship status.

YouJustDoYou · 21/02/2024 21:17

nothingcomestonothing · 21/02/2024 18:40

I've had the opportunity to dig around in my meme collection (not a euphemism) a couple of times today. I couldnt decide on one for this thread, so here are two:

This. THIS. Jesus fucking christ, I remember this shit spouted from men 30+ years ago, cannot believe they are still spouting the same shit now.

TheClogLady · 21/02/2024 21:36

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/02/2024 18:11

So I had a look at one of the ‘person mistook a ( natal) woman for a trans woman’ cases helpfully provided by Dad.

it seems that the misapprehension may have been chemically aided

’ Bailey’s lawyers told the court he had “induced psychosis” after taking a significant number of intoxicants, and was under “the delusional belief that the victim was a predatory pedophile”

That’s lawyer speak for ‘out of his brains’ .Person making the ‘mistake’ was a bloke on a binge, basically.

Seems pretty unlikely that Jenny will be employing this chap as membership secretary.

No need for Dadjoke to worry!

lechiffre55 · 21/02/2024 21:50

YouJustDoYou · 21/02/2024 21:17

This. THIS. Jesus fucking christ, I remember this shit spouted from men 30+ years ago, cannot believe they are still spouting the same shit now.

Yeah but they are wearing wigs and tilting their heads cockettishly now, that's not enough extra effort to change your mind?

suggestionsplease1 · 21/02/2024 22:23

Screenshots classic transphobia examples for future classes 😂 Good on ya FWR

JanesLittleGirl · 21/02/2024 22:32

So three posters think that this is either financially unviable, technically unachievable or terribly wrong. Everybody else says 'go girl'.

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suggestionsplease1 · 21/02/2024 22:39

JanesLittleGirl · 21/02/2024 22:32

So three posters think that this is either financially unviable, technically unachievable or terribly wrong. Everybody else says 'go girl'.

😂 were you expecting a different ratio on FWR?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/02/2024 22:48

As we've established that all the prospective members of this club are terrible bigots who spoil it for everyone else, I'm sure all the naice male-attracted women will be relieved that Jenny is sieving these exclusively female-attracted women out of the male-inclusive lesbian social nights.

Win-win for everyone.

JanesLittleGirl · 21/02/2024 22:52

suggestionsplease1 · 21/02/2024 22:39

😂 were you expecting a different ratio on FWR?

Well yeah actually. Given how many lesbians are tw adjacent apparently.

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suggestionsplease1 · 21/02/2024 23:00

JanesLittleGirl · 21/02/2024 22:52

Well yeah actually. Given how many lesbians are tw adjacent apparently.

Ah, no worries, your mistake!

Have a look around some of the other threads on FWR and you will get a better feel for things!

ADoggyDogWorld · 21/02/2024 23:23

I laughed at cockettishly, superb wordsmithing there 😍

lechiffre55 · 21/02/2024 23:42

ADoggyDogWorld · 21/02/2024 23:23

I laughed at cockettishly, superb wordsmithing there 😍

Thank you :)
I stumbled on it by accident and then decided I liked it. Been using it ever since. You are the first person to pick up on it.

I like that it encapsulates so much in one word. The poor attempt to imitate a very pornified distorted perception of what it is to be a woman, all undone from the start by tripping over a sticking out cock.