Lesbian members club to only allow biological women

[JanesLittleGirl]

"A FEMINIST campaigner is to open the UK’s first lesbian members bar that will only allow biological women to join.

The bar, named the L Community, is due to open in London later this year and will operate as a private members club so that it can bar trans women.

The bar has been set up by Jenny Watson, who in September last year was at the centre of a transphobia row after she insisted only “adult human females” could attend the lesbian speed-dating events she had organised."

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I'll get an archive link in a bit.

I agree absolutely. I think its presumably because lesbians only fancy women so if a transwonan can get into an absolutely female space like that then it's like winning the world Cup of transness. 'Women who only fancy women have let me in therefore I am a real woman '.

Nail on head.

29%? That many?

29% is a MUCH higher proportion than I would have expected (though still a long way from "the vast majority").

Could these figures have included "transbians"? Or younger lesbians who have been gaslighted? Seems very high.

Great minds @ArabellaScott

It probably counts as "dating trans" when they date a trans man i.e. biological female.

Could these figures have included "transbians"? Or younger lesbians who have been gaslighted? Seems very high.

Especially when you compare it to gay men.

It probably counts as "dating trans" when they date a trans man i.e. biological female.

It does.

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women: 28% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks and 38% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they wouldn’t date a trans woman — only a trans man.

So 38% of 29% of lesbians (some of whom may be translesbians) would date a person with a penis. That’s not very many?

Julia Serano (who is male) wrote most vehemently in the Daily Beast in 2014, concerning lesbians who would date transmen (female transitioners), but not transwomen (male transitioners).

if it were only a small percentage of cis dykes who were not interested in trans women at all, I would write it off as simply a matter of personal preference. But this not a minor problem—it is systemic; it is a predominant sentiment in queer women’s communities. And when the overwhelming majority of cis dykes date and fuck cis women, but are not open to, or are even turned off by, the idea of dating or fucking trans women, how is that not transphobic? And to those cis women who claim a dyke identity, yet consider trans men, but not trans women, to be a part of your dating pool, let me ask you this: How are you not a hypocrite?

The Struggle to Find Trans Love in San Francisco

The mangling of language does my head in.

So 38% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they wouldn’t date a trans woman — only a trans man. in actual biological-reality-based language means that 38% of same sex attracted women who said they'd date a transperson, actually meant they'd only date another female bodied person? So a lesbian being a lesbian?

I'm not even touching the trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks nor is anyone else

Rapey as shit.

These men need to get into their head that no lesbian wants to date a man, trans or otherwise.

Well obviously they know it already. They need to get it into their head that everybody else knows it too.

That report says 69% of the trans inclusive lesbians would date transmen, 38% of them wouldn't date transwomen. So I'm getting that 62% of the 29% trans-inclusive hadn't ruled out male transitioners.

So that gets us a maximum of 18% (rounded to an integer) of lesbians who hadn't ruled out male transitioners.

I wonder if that 18% were making an informed decision. I have encountered young inexperienced people of both sexes who say they would consider a trans person as a partner post-surgery. Some people have over-optimistic ideas of what surgery can do...

18%.

I really hope all of those 18% are freely and fully consenting and not feeling pressured into being 'inclusive'.

Oh cross posted with your edit Pots.

So in theory 18% of lesbians would consider a relationship with a trans woman. What is the percentage in practice. In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

If a lesbian was to date a trans woman would that not change her sexuality from lesbian to bisexual?

Yes, they are bisexual. you're out of the club if you date men.

Well done Jenny! I wish you all the success in the world!

I'm straight but I do know that

A) Lesbians don't want dick
B ) Trans women are men
C) Lesbians don't have dicks
D ) Any trans 'woman' coercing lesbians into having sex can get in the fking rape bin

Solidarity to my lesbian, same sex attracted, adult human female sisters ✊

The club website mentioned bisexual women. I intend to write to see if I am allowed to join.

single sex spaces matches their gender

I've never understood this so perhaps you can help.
Which genders do you believe "match" each sex, and why?

I didn't ask you to comment on my faith, but I note that you are unable to distinguish between what a man is and what a woman is. I'm astounded that, openly not knowing this, you feel entitled to comment on things that only affect men or only affect women, as you see them as the same.

Sorry but I'm going to have to ask again because I'm not sure I believe you. You cannot name one quality, criterion, aspect, anything, that you consider unique to either men or women?

The terms are literally meaningless to you?

And yet I don't go to any of these events that include males, whilst I am considering asking if I as a bisexual woman can join Jenny's club.

It's as if women are self-excluding from male-inclusive spaces...

Julia Serano (who is male) wrote most vehemently in the Daily Beast in 2014, concerning lesbians who would date transmen (female transitioners), but not transwomen (male transitioners).

Yes, I remember "Julia" saying that straight men were much nicer in rejecting MTFs than mean old lesbians.

What happened with equality and inclusiveness, a bit hypocritical don't you think.
And what's she gonna do? Finger every attendant?

It is inclusive. It's a space for lesbians. Not for men.

By club I meant "Lesbianism" not Jenny's real life club.