Lesbian members club to only allow biological women

[JanesLittleGirl]

"A FEMINIST campaigner is to open the UK’s first lesbian members bar that will only allow biological women to join.

The bar, named the L Community, is due to open in London later this year and will operate as a private members club so that it can bar trans women.

The bar has been set up by Jenny Watson, who in September last year was at the centre of a transphobia row after she insisted only “adult human females” could attend the lesbian speed-dating events she had organised."

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1615/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1615/pub/1615/page/23/article/NaN

I'll get an archive link in a bit.

There is no point, this is an attempt to derail the thread and shift it away from some very uncomfortable realities. It's the classic dead cat. And its an oh so familiar one.

Actually the uncomfortable reality is for the GC feminists, who have to work out why the countries that are consistently at the top of the table globally for women's wellbeing and equality with men are also countries that have self-ID.

If self-ID is such a bad thing for women why have these countries not dropped down these tables since introducing it? Why are they staying at the top or rising in the tables?

They can play at derailing till the cows come home on t'nternet.
The only people convinced are themselves. Everyone else is having a right laugh.

It doesn't stop the excellent contributions from the great women here.

The derailers can huff and puff all they like. but they can't blow our Lesbian Club down. The right venue, no landlords to be harassed, good advice, goodwill and financial backing of many supporters. It'll be grand.😍

Of course she can. As long as she doesn't breach guidelines, she can tell you whatever she bloody likes. Any woman can. That's the beauty of women no longer being chattel, remember?

She can tell you what she thinks, she can tell you where she thinks you should post, she can say that your MO is to derail, and that you trot out the same tired, misleading stats on thread after thread.

It must be very irritating that women can say what the bloody hell they like.

And as an argument point goes it's really shit anyway. Trying to tell women that the loss of their rights is a good thing, because look at these countries where they fuck up their stats?

Score!

It's always the same on these threads. Certain posters with a particular interest in lesbians turn up to insist that women must accept men as sexual partners and that all these countries are spectacularly woman (ie man) centred countries. The same bit of research is thrown in that's been repeatedly debunked by very patient posters over the years.
It's like groundhog day when they get started.

And all because they wish to challenge a lesbian's right to have boundaries and say no to a man as a sexual partner.

Nobody agrees with them but on they go.

Mr Dennis( Kavanagh) and Mr Clive (Simpson) touched on the topic in the Queens Speech one week and gay men DO NOT like transmen in their spaces at all - particularly in the dark rooms.

Some of these clubs may be having "inclusivity" forced upon them, but they are to welcoming of it any more than gay women are.

When you are attracted to someone because of their sex, then funnily enough, SEX MATTERS.

Genital preferences are a thing - same way that other physical features are. And for most people, they are the main determinant when we are looking for a sexual partner.

And all because they wish to challenge a lesbian's right to have boundaries and say no to a man as a sexual partner.

Nobody agrees with them but on they go.

They know it's entirely fruitless.

They must just enjoy the process.

Irritating women. As a past time goes it doesn't exactly indicate a rich and varied life.

My definition of woman includes trans woman. My definition of man includes trans men. That is the only answer on this topic you will get from me on this thread.

But what is a woman? You include transwomen in YOUR definition - but how do you actually define the word "woman"? Or "man" for that matter.

Can you provide a definition which isn't just a circular argument? Of course you can't, because there isn't one if you are going to include transppl in your definitions.

And that's why you won't give any other answer - it's because you haven't got one.

A female who wants to be a man who likes females?

If you don’t know the answer just say so…

What's that got to do with a biological woman opening up a biological female only club for lesbians. Why are you dismissing biological females wants and needs? What do you get out of it?

poster a…what is a woman?

poster b…why don’t you ask New Zealand

stupidest answer ever 🤣

They hope to get that sweet validation. But those Lesbian Karens will organize and deprive trans-identifying men of their enjoyment.

I just with the obvious derailers weren't responded to.

I think it is noticeable that whenever there is a positive story about women's sex based rights, whether the right of lesbians to have a lesbian only space or prison cells, that those who know the concept of changing sex is a lie, take the opportunity to spew out nonsense just because it turns out there are women who know that TW aren't women.

If anything their desparate need to intervene shows how they know they are on shaky ground.

But I just dont think it is worth anyones time or energy to respond.

Just ignore and post about what has been achieved by Jenny.

Although just to add my posting the newspaper article wasn't to derail the thread (although the contents were hilarious) but an indication of how the entrenched misogyny in the media loves to over egg the arguements on these minorty TRAs.

On the basis of reprinting this idiots idiotics ramblings I think we should inundate the paper with suggestions of the many well written, based on reality posts on FWR.

Probably a topic for another thread, but why is the media so wedded to prompting this type of anti woman nonsense?

On thread post:

The arguements about financial viability are total irrelevant as Jenny has been running a sucessful club for a number of months, more than a year I think.

But because they entrenched misogynists who make up TRAs have tried to get venues to stop allowing her use of their rooms.

And like many in society who have been Stonewalled venues have caved in, probably as much for wanting a quiet life as any particular views on the whole rainbow nonsense.

So in the face of the TRAs obnoxious attempt to silence women she has persisted and set up a club, as a legal basis to be able to carry on what she and other lesbians want.

And obviously (without knowing her) Jenny is financially smart. She has done her sums and knows that her club was financially viable and wants to carry on doing something she believes in and other lesbians have shown they want by paying up and turning up.

As far as I am concerned if each event is only 10 lesbians, but they have a good time and Jenny doesn't lose money, how is it anybody's business but theirs?

Hang on a second… so you’re asking us to look at data from countries where men are recorded as women and women as men to examine gender parity. How can we even tell whether what mix of biological males and females these data came from?

Interestingly an anonymous person recently launched a new London lesbian bar (or at least, did a pop up event and started a crowdfunder).

Perhaps unsurprisingly the anonymous host of the ‘lesbian bar’ turned out to be a male who identifies as a lesbian.

So I guess we will shortly be able to see in real time whether London lesbians prefer a female-only members club or an anyone-who-identifies-as-a-lesbian bar.

https://www.nonchalantmagazine.com/new-lesbian-bar-la-camionera-opens-to-packed-crowds-in-londons-broadway-market/

(no link to crowdfunder because MN don’t like that sort of thing on FWR, easy to Google up tho)

Good for her!

Perhaps unsurprisingly the anonymous host of the ‘lesbian bar’ turned out to be a male who identifies as a lesbian.

Have to say your post made me laught outloud because when I saw this story, or rather the picture a few days ago, claiming who knew there were that many lesbians in London, it was obvious it was just a crowd turning up to the latest on trend event.

And now that you have posted more information about it and its location, only in that part of Hackney (Broadway Market) would a faux lesbian bar be started. The whole street is like a disney land representation to lure young people with too much money and gullible tourists to experience something that just isn't real, but makes lots of money for a few premises owners and so Hackney council business rates.

Apologies, quick correction:

Alex Loveless is actually a nonbinary person who feels like a lesbian bar is a space forthey/them:

https://www.nonchalantmagazine.com/the-founder-behind-la-camionera-and-the-era-of-a-lesbian-bar-above-ground/

I agree absolutely. I think its presumably because lesbians only fancy women so if a transwonan can get into an absolutely female space like that then it's like winning the world Cup of transness. 'Women who only fancy women have let me in therefore I am a real woman '.

@AngelinaFibres
I agree on the validation motivation.
That's why certain peoples are unhappy with even the concept of a female only lesbian space. The existence of such a space would undermine their validation in two ways:
1 Simply not being allowed in undermines their validation. It acknowledges that there is a difference between biological sex that cannot ever be overcome.
2 Validation is based on difficulty. If a trans woman is with a bisexual woman who calls herself lesbian, that's not as validating as if the same trans woman was with a lesbian. I would imagine the Gold Star lesbians are the most sought after of all because they would give the greatest validation hit/ego boost. I assume that the clientelle of Jenny's club would be the bigger validation higher value group. And as humans we always want what we can't have more than that which is easily available to us.

There are definitely women who call themselves lesbians who are open to relationships with trans women. There are already many spaces already for both these groups to mingle and engage each other. That some trans advocates are soo unhappy about female lesbians creating a new space just for themselves, tells you that the females only lesbians have something that the trans activists want that they can't get from lesbians who are open to trans. That missing thing is higher validation and ego boost.

The vast majority of lesbians accept trans women as women

They really don't.

https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

Virtually all heterosexuals excluded trans folks from their dating pool: only 1.8% of straight women and 3.3% of straight men chose a trans person of either binary gender. But most non-heterosexuals weren’t down for dating a trans person either, with only 11.5% of gay men and 29% of lesbians being trans-inclusive in their dating preferences.

Women, the biological kind, are not props for male sexual desires/urges/delusions/kinks. Women are human and are told we have rights, until they inconvenience biological males (however they ‘identify’).

Yet here we again see the usual incoherent statements of ‘facts’ which seem to be born of fantasy, not reality. Larping as a woman does not change biology. Be the best person you can, live a good life but stop lying/bending the truth so hard it is no longer true.

I think it's very unlikely that any transgender lesbians will attempt to gain access to this club. I don't think it's ever dishonest of any transgender person to be in a single sex spaces matches their gender unless they have been excluded under the Equality Act.

As in this case. So they would be being dishonest if they tried to go there, as I hope you can agree.