Lesbian members club to only allow biological women

[JanesLittleGirl]

"A FEMINIST campaigner is to open the UK’s first lesbian members bar that will only allow biological women to join.

The bar, named the L Community, is due to open in London later this year and will operate as a private members club so that it can bar trans women.

The bar has been set up by Jenny Watson, who in September last year was at the centre of a transphobia row after she insisted only “adult human females” could attend the lesbian speed-dating events she had organised."

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1615/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1615/pub/1615/page/23/article/NaN

I'll get an archive link in a bit.

I think what might make it viable if it was attractive to the majority of lesbians who don't want to exclude trans women.

How do you know what women want?

But do we know that is the majority of lesbians (and I mean the kind without a penis)? I don’t know, perhaps it is? I don’t have any data on that.

Willing to bet I've got more experience of London's lesbian bars than most posters on here.

What about all the Christian Fundie-Bux tho? Us terves have gotta spend our millions somewhere.

If you see your role as policing / censoring what women say and think, especially in relation to the importance of protecting women's rights and safeguarding children, then this board must be catnip.

"What is a woman?" is never asked in good faith by gender critical people.

It is a very good, simple question that drills through to the heart of the issue because TRAs can very rarely answer it with any degree of common consensus amongst themselves or without resorting to a raft of mental acrobatics, junk woo science or because 'feelings'. Words have meaning and the very definition of what is a woman is under attack so it includes any hairy arsed bloke who fancied being a woman when they got out of bed that morning. The implications that such a dilution of the word woman has insofar as their impact on previously clearly defined legal protections and the wider social landscape women enjoy cannot be understated.

So, what is a woman?

What all the ones that have closed down, because, according to you, men kept going to them?

Look, Janette and DadJoke, if you want mixed-sex lesbian clubs, you clearly have plenty to choose from.

What on earth is your problem with there being a single-sex lesbian venue too?

So based on people you speak with at the clubs?

There’s likely selective feedback there for various reasons

Yes, exactly.

Wishing Jenny all the best.

We can't have women meeting without men. Imagine what might happen!

Because if you even have one single thing that is single sex, it disproves that men are women.

And men simply can't have that.

(fortunately they're going to be very disappointed)

Why don't you ask the countries in the world that have the highest ratings for women's parity with men?

The top 4 countries in the world for women - Iceland , Norway, Finland and New Zealand all have policies of self-ID.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230927-the-worlds-most-gender-equal-countries

Oh for the love of christ, not that bollocks report again!

Yes, Datun, I also suspect the success of said club may expose some of the divide within the 'community'.

Perhaps you would prefer to use a different report?

How about this one?

https://www.georgetown.edu/news/this-is-the-best-country-to-be-a-woman-new-report-finds/#:~:text=Denmark%2C%20Switzerland%2C%20Sweden%2C%20Finland,Republic%20ranked%20among%20the%20lowest.

O wait, it looks like the top countries for women there all have self-ID as well!

Wtf does that have to do with the OP? Massive derail, irrelevant.

You'll never hear of trans men outside calling them bigots for having only men spaces. I get the feeling that we must know our place in the hierarchy and women are at the bottom.

It's deja vu all over again.

Well it proves there's no rational answer to the insane homophobia and misogyny in this thread but to chuck a dead cat in the ring and hope it deflects the conversation somewhere more comfortable.

The poster that I quoted was surmising on 'What is a woman? ' , it is entirely relevant.

Are you not interested in how the top countries in the world to be a woman are approaching this question?

Surely as a feminist interested in the wellbeing of women this should interest you?

Completely irrelevant to the topic, start another thread if you want to discuss that. We're discussing the right of lesbians to not have to do everything with men here. Massive feminist issue. Huge.

Are you not interested in how the top countries in the world to be a woman are approaching this question?

No, I'm interested in the lesbians who want single-sex spaces having them. Why should they have to let the views of 'the top countries' determine their sexuality?

Thanks but you don't get to tell me how to post, especially when I am addressing issues that are brought up on this thread.

If we declare that everyone is a woman then suddenly women are having a smashing time.
I bet there are a lot of businesses who wish they could hide their gender pay gap by simply changing their most well paid members to staff to women overnight.

What are you on about? The Scandinavian countries were light years ahead on women's equal rights/parity way before self ID came into play? What point are you trying to make? Just because Iceland have conflated in law biological sex with 'gender', 'gender identity' and 'gender expression' it does not mean the UK are obliged to follow suit. All the Icelandic law does is provide pathways for biological men to take say a political seat reserved for women or a position in a company that is meant to even out the playing field in male dominated areas. Its a crap law.