The kids are alright

[MrSand]

I occasionally look at trans groups on Reddit, mostly to expose myself to differing views. Today I noticed two posts which, although depressing in their own way, had bits of good news.

In the first, a 14 year old boy complains about increasing trans hostility from his peers. I suspect this is his misinterpretation of increasing sex-realism.

Hello trans people in my phone, I came out about 2 months ago as trans to close family and friends, but am unsure about what steps to take as a trans girl (14yrs), from what I know the UK is terrible when it comes to trans healthcare for young people and the increasing hostility that people my age have against the trans community makes me feel terrified of social transition. Is there any advice or resources that you have that could help. Thanks.

And in the second a man who plays on a women's football team isn't receiving the validation he had hoped for, either in football-related social spaces or on dating apps:

Young TERFs on the Rise?
I don’t know if you have similar experiences but I’m noticing an increasing amount of TERF rhetoric from lgbt people in “inclusive” social spaces.

Of course I have sympathy to some extent for both of these individuals, but I'm heartened to hear that young people seem less inclined to go along with this nonsense.

I occasionally will check out r/MtF just to see if there are any new arguments/anything that will change my mind on a given aspect - It always depresses/grosses me out.
The vast vast majority on there is either along the lines of medical transition complications (the depressing part), or very overt AGP tendencies & posts (the grosses me out part) - very little in between and lots of lying to one another.

More rarely (as Reddit is very quick to push down/hide these types of threads) you might see a post where someone feels they've been lied to about medical transition and they feel betrayed by the community.
My heart bleeds for these people - I just want to give them a hug and tell them it'll all be okay even though realistically there's very little anyone can do to help aside from "be there" for them.
Some of them are so so young to be going through such turmoil and medical malpractices for want of a better turn of phrase, it's genuinely heart breaking and I feel so sorry for them :/

I've seen people complaining that GC beliefs is classed as a belief at all. They are annoyed that this gives GC people protection and are also annoyed that they cannot discriminate against GC beliefs.

The thing is, we would never have had to get it classed as a belief if they hadn't changed the meanings of words in the first place.

Sex in mammals being binary and either male or female was just a fact until TRAs forced us to make it into a belief.

I really don't understand how you can describe a 14yr old feeling terrified about hostility from society as being good news.

I hate this ideology and what it's doing to young people.

Try not to lose your humanity.

Because in trans double speak, open hostility means silent recognition that you have a sex not that someone is actively kicking your head in, egging your windows and scratching slurs into your car.

We are not losing our humanity: the constant retranslation is tiresome.

The ideology came into schools as a fad and it will inevitably fall out of fashion. We are starting to see this happen now.

I see hardly any blue/pink haired college students now, whereas six or seven years ago there was a large cohort.

The ideology came into schools as a fad and it will inevitably fall out of fashion. We are starting to see this happen now.

It may be falling out of fashion among the students, but rooting it out of staff training, PSHE lesson plans, posters, clubs etc. is going to take actual effort. I can't think of a parallel equivalent except for something like the whole-word method to teach reading, and that wasn't adopted from the students.

Today I noticed two posts which, although depressing in their own way, had bits of good news

In the first, a 14 year old boy complains about increasing trans hostility from his peers

In a week where an 18 year old trans girl was stabbed, and Brianna Ghey's tragic death in the news, how on earth is that "bits of good news?!"

WTF

@unwashedanddazed

I really don't understand how you can describe a 14yr old feeling terrified about hostility from society as being good news
Didn't see your post before posting mine, thank goodness for you

Try not to lose your humanity
Couldn't agree more

Buying into hyperbole at face value is often not a good idea.

If 'hostility' means 'lack of unquestioning enablement' is it still a bad thing?

My first question is always what form does this "increasing trans hostility" take?
Is it because the girls don't want someone that isn't going to go through puberty the same as them in the same bathroom?
Is it because some girls can't share the toilets because of religious reasons?
Is it because somebody gets their pronouns wrong?
Is it because someone has told them that they can't change sex?
Is it because someone gets offended at being called 'cis' by them?
Is it because they spend all day moaning about how victimised they are and that no one understands them?
Do they spend all day looking for 'micro aggressions'?

Lets be honest here, when a group start changing definitions and cannot define either themselves or what the hostility is, then they are the problem.

The list goes on.

But from what I have seen most kids (11 - 16) roll their eyes and just get on with life which is also probably hostility towards trans people.

No way was that written by a 14 year old.

Brianna Ghey's death was tragic, but the main cause of it wasn't because she was trans.

“In a week where an 18 year old trans girl was stabbed, and Brianna Ghey's tragic death in the news”

Every week is some sort of special trans week. If we didn’t talk about these issues whenever there was some kind of trans awareness/pride/remembrance/allies/tragedy/anniversary … going on we’d have about 30 minutes sometime in October.

Brianna Ghey's death was tragic, but the main cause of it wasn't because she was trans

It wasn't the primary motive, but it was the secondary motive.
The judge has said so as well.
Just because it's not the first motive doesn't mean it wasn't one!!

My first question is always what form does this "increasing trans hostility" take?

Do you take that stance when it comes to women and girls facing hostility or attacks too?
"My first question is always just what does she mean hostility? What does she mean by "attacked?".
Or do you save that just for people who are trans?

I didn't say that being trans wasn't partially the motive, I said that it wasn't the main motive.
The judge also didn't define the being trans as the secondary cause either.
The judge said that Jenkinson was hostile towards Brianna due to her trans status.
But lets not forget that there were other targets that were not trans and not so easy to get by themselves,

I think that it's entirely sensible to research into the hostility and attacks that women and girls face. Mainly because a lot of it is ignored and treated as the norm. Such as the misogyny and sexual harassment in schools. The more investigation into it the better.

Regarding an anonymous post on an anonymous forum, yes, I'd want to know more about the issues that this apparent child apparently faces. Actually no, scrap that. If I genuinely thought it was a child then I'd advise them to seek advice from appropriate adults in real life, not continue to ask for help from strangers with unknown motives online.

'Increasing trans hostility' will be people refusing to allow themselves to get dragged into the delusion that it's possible to change sex.

I take that stance because of the "literal violence" statement by trans activists/People.
And that trans activists have shown themselves to be violent, hostile and out to find ways to be oppressed.

As for the rest its an unrelated point and whataboutery that has nothing to do with the thread so lets not derail.

I’m torn. It’s good news if it results in that child riding out this feeling of discomfort with being male and progressing to a healthy adulthood.

If it results in trans people being stabbed- I believe another young trans woman was murdered yesterday- then it’s appalling.

Unfortunately we no longer have accurate language to inform us. ‘Hostile’ could mean no one will admire his shaven legs and long hair, or it could mean being pushed around and having his head flushed. The language no longer differentiates.

Ah not murdered. Stabbed multiple times. I’m sure the circumstances will be revealed at some point.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/14/transgender-girl-stabbed-14-times-attempted-murder-harrow/

I have a 16yo daughter. We clashed on this issue massively when she was 14 and questioning her own sexuality. She joined an LGBT youth group (thinking she was either lesbian or bisexual) and found herself that the emphasis was all on the "T". She thought I was a nasty bigot for saying that it wasn't possible to change sex, that I found gender stereotyping sexist and regressive, and my views on trans identifying men in women's sports, politics, business, prisons, hospitals, bathrooms etc were old fashioned and "mean".

I'm happy (and proud) to say that by just having open conversations, presenting facts, and being patient - rather than ramming my opinions down her throat, which is what I felt like doing at times - she's realised herself what a nonsense this whole ideology is. What's helped, is that her generation has literally been given enough rope to hang themselves. They've been given the complete freedom to identify as opposite sex, then animals, trees, and because no adult has actually stepped in (probably out of fear) and told them what a load of nonsense it is, her and her peers have reached that conclusion all by themselves. There are kids in her year (year 11) who identify (or did) as opposite sex, non binary, a tree, cats, puppies and even a fucking alien. It's the kids themselves who've actually come to the conclusion it's all a bit ridiculous. There's loads of terfs now in her friendship group.

Her older siblings, however, still think I'm a Terf.

Hostility in this sense probably just means the refusal of society (or in this case the child's peers) to believe that boys can become girls or a girls can become boys. In the same way genocide has come to mean women challenging the idea that men should be making use of women's changing rooms or single sex spaces.

And therein lies the problem of changing the meaning of words to suit a political ideology to the point that we can no longer communicate with each other. It’s getting to the point where it’s as if we are speaking 2 different languages.

Bloody hell this is awful. What on earth is going on in the world.