Feeling really low after being honest

[Notfeelingitwasworthit]

Training today. Gender identity. I was dreading it. Just keep your head down, I thought, don't say anything.
Then the subject of safe spaces came up and the presenter (they/them) said well it's actually not a problem at all, there are no statistics which show that sexual offences occur on hospital wards or in domestic abuse shelters and the other women are also really cool with it so it's not a problem at all!
I just said that this wasn't really accurate, we know women don't report sexual assaults or inappropriate behaviour, especially not if they think they're going to be labelled as transphobic, and women are constantly told to put up and shut up, so that labelled with the fear of being labelled a bigot OF COURSE won't mean they answer truthfully.
Obviously I was set upon. I tried to stand my ground but people kept going. Not just to my face but with snide comments throughout the rest of the day. I would join a room, everyone would stop talking. Even my closest contacts said 'well maybe you just shouldn't say it' and 'they do have a point'.

It just feels so lonely. It feels like you have a choice between being true to what you believe and having friends. Two of my closet friends would disown me if they knew.
Do I have to lie forever?

Absolutely @EasternStandard

Where’d all the friendly marshmallows go? 😩

The first ever described operon was that for lactose metabolism in E. coli. Jacob&Monod got a Nobel prize for it. At least it involves some sugar.

Absolutely.

It pisses me off no end, that we have used 'trans' to mean 'across' since Latin times (trans-Siberian railway, across Siberia, transcript, someone across from you is writing, transparent, you can see across it)

Cis has only ever been used as a chemical locator term (isomers, genes).

This

I can only think of Cisalpine Gaul. The part of Gaul on this ie the Italian side of the Alps. The rest of Gaul being Transalpine.

Which side of the Atlantic is "cis-Atlantic" or does it depend on whether you're standing in New York or Manchester?

I ate them all!

When DNA is copied to be made into a protein, only one strand is copied.

The operon is the bit of code that tells the copying 'machine' where to start.

The operon 'start here' code can be on the same strand that is being copied, or the opposite side.

Prokaryotic = mostly bacteria.

Like roadsigns, the sign for your junction could be on your side of the road, or on the opposite side of the road.

Oh I like that, not come across that before.

😂

Just to add to those commenting to Mingle, I knew I instinctively did not want to be labelled ‘cis’ but lacked the ability to explicitly explain why I felt as I did.

Then I found these threads. It started out with why I felt JK Rowling couldn’t be the vile person TRAs made her out to be and went from there.

Following the reasoning on the harms of using Cis, along with many other points of concern, has helped me to formulate and express my own views on the damage caused by the gender phenomenon.

@Vebrithien, thanks again. I think I need to reread & make notes now! (While eating marshmallows, & trying not to think of e-coli).

You're welcome!

Have fun with the marshmallows.

I got into a whole debate with my year 10 class over which sweets should be used as my examples. Apparently marshmallows and gummy bears are like, so old fashioned.

I was told to use flying saucers and bonbons, in future 😆

Ugh. Kids nowadays. No taste.

Hear hear

OP: I read somewhere else today

"A lot of women have convinced themselves they're sad when they're actually furious"

Don't feel low, feel angry. In a sane world you would not have been lied to, then bullied and ostracised when you pointed out the lie. At your place of work.

I agree with you on a lot of that. I think young people taking irreversible treatments is always a potential problem and should be considered discretely.

I don’t know about the motivations at the Tavistock - I imagine well-meaning but flawed is the answer, but I was not privy.

I’m also interested to know if everyone on this thread is as anti female-to-male transitioning as they are male-to-female, or if it’s the threat of male violence and the infringement on women’s rights that are the main concern.

However, I’m not actually asking that question. I’m going to bow out now as I think I have bitten off more than I can chew sparking a debate with a group of people who unanimously disagree with me and I unfortunately don’t have time to do it justice.

If you want to learn more about the Tavistock and GIDS, then Hannah Barnes' book 'Time to think' would be a good place to start.

I’m also interested to know if everyone on this thread is as anti female-to-male transitioning as they are male-to-female, or if it’s the threat of male violence and the infringement on women’s rights that are the main concern.

It's not about being 'anti', though.

I don't care what consenting adults do with their lives and bodies, so long as they're not hurting anyone else.

Yes, the male violence and infringements on womens rights are the main concern, but I am also concerned about children and young people being given unevidenced, unscientific medical treatment that risks causing more harm than good. And being taught that one can change sex, etc.

No one ever has "time", do they? I'm sure they'd be breaking out some groundbreaking insights, and we'd finally learn why we should see a group of males as women. If only they had the time.

Deleted! Too true was it? The people I mentioned are self confessed AGPs FFS! None of it a lie and no cruelty intended.

I think I was deleted for advising Ming to follow the evidence in respect of the group of heterosexual men who say they are trans. NATWAL (not all transwomen are lesbians) but many are. I am arguing that looking at it in a straightforward way, it simply makes them heterosexual men who like swishy clothes. That was my DH's cousin in the 90's, he would now call himself Trans I guess (lost touch, don't know).

If this is too true as well I can only apologize and repeat: none of it a lie and no cruelty intended.

I also thanked Ming for staying with the conversation for as long as she did. Don't want to lose that, too, with the deletion.

You can be a male and same sex attracted to a female. That makes you heterosexual.

It is regarded as homophobic to apply gender identity to homosexuality.

Only females can be lesbians.

GC views are a legally protected belief. Aside from that, what the OP said was true, there have been sexual assaults in mixed-changing facilities.

Red when I said not all transwomen are lesbians that was a regrettable shortcut and should have said "not all transwomen also call themselves lesbians". Some are same sex attracted.

Or more precise but tiresome "not all people born men who identify as transwomen also call themselves lesbians". But a fair number do. Some that I could name except I did that in the deleted post and that didn't go well.

I agree that only females can be lesbians.