Starmer furious that Sunak should mention his definition of ‘woman’

[HagoftheNorth]

PMQ’s today, Sunak highlighted Starmer’s famous comments that some women have a penis. Starmer was furious that Sunak should make that comment while Mrs Ghey was in the chamber. Surely Starmer should realise that it is possible to be respectful and compassionate about trans people without parroting the insane lie that transwomen are women (because ‘woman’ is sex not gender)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68229785

It will be incredibly bad

I wasxwatching this live and the sky news reaction enraged me so much. It is twisted by starmer and they all go along with it.
Usually I find sky less left supporting than bbc and more impartial but today was awful.

Which is why Sunak has inadvertently played into the agenda. This issue is not a major issue for him, like it is for Badenoch; he was simply trying to score points against Starmer at a particular vulnerable time for himself - as his detractors within the party circle with talk of replacing him.

It feeds into the accusations of 'culture wars'. If he had had his head screwed on he would not have chosen this particular PMQ to launch this missile.

An own goal by my reckoning - even if what he said was true.

But also an own goal for those of us whose goal is to repeal the GRA and to make certain of sex based rights and protections for women and girls.

Do you think Brianna's parents are twisting it too?

Or don't they matter?

To be honest their feelings are not important when it comes to legislation; even though Sunak got it wrong today.

Sorry but they don't matter more than all women no, and they don't get to make everyone say men are women. They don't get to silence discussion so women are then forced into Prisons and sports with men and other vulnerable boys like their own are groomed online by rainbow families.
We live in a society and women are equal to men and to tw and tm.

And absolutely yes to say it is dehumanising to define women is certainly twisting what rishi said. So by the dad yes.

One must always think of the bereaved, but unfortunately there are many people all too willing to take advantage of them.

Sky News has got a quote from the father to keep the story going, and activists will use them and their tragedy to further their own agenda, without much thought about the actual family.

Starmer's outrage is entirely confected. He knows Sunak has got him bang to rights. He flip-flops on everything, including the definition of what a woman is.

It might have been a tactical error for Sunak to make the jibe today - not because it was offensive to Esther Ghey, who wasn't even in the chamber at the time, but precisely because he might have realised it would be used against him. It enabled Starmer to draw attention away from his own flip-flopping and to lay spurious claim to the moral high ground.

Absolutely this

So we are not allowed to state a biological reality on Mumsnet now? I stated the sex of this child. So did someone else, but we were deleted? I'm really sorry for the loss of any child, but death does not change a fact.

Peter Spooner told Sky News Mr Sunak’s remarks during PMQs had been “degrading” and “absolutely dehumanising”. He said: “Identities of people should not be used in that manner, and I personally feel shocked by his comments. Mr Spooner added that Mr Sunak “should apologise for his remarks”

The person who used identities of people was Starmer. He was the person who mentioned Brianna not Sunak.

I have no time for Sunak for many many reasons but he is not accountable for the fact that Brianna's gender identity was used in PMQ.

It's despicable behaviour of Starmer to do that. He has made it an issue to justify his views.

Fairly sure deliberately misgendering individuals isn't usually allowed. And when we're dealing with a murdered child, I'd agree it's crass beyond belief.

Well, Sunak did not have to add that into his little digs at Starmer did he? Knowing that Briannas mother was in the gallery that day. He could have made his point perfectly well without that little snippet. And not acknowledging Briannas mother, whatever you think of transgender etc etc is pretty shitty. But Sunak is terrible at PMQs and I guess unless it is written out in advance he doesnt know what to say.

I look at actions, not words and the Tories have destroyed female rights.

Sunak laid bare his contempt for women, especially the mother of a murdered child & Starmer highlighted this & about bloody time too.

Tories and their supporters, bang on about this issue but despite a 70 plus seat majority and 14 years in power, have never sought to even reform the GRA, May even wanted self ID and Boris cut the fee for a GRC to £5 and despite NHS pressures, have opened more GR Clinics.

I'm just amazed so many appear to buy into to it on here.

Usually it’s fine but for this case

Yet we are supposed to be absolutely fine with the fact that the Labour party is firmly TWAW as evidenced by this exchange in PMQ (amongst multiple other things).

It's a shame really that Starmer, having seen the consequences of the introduction of the GRA and the EquA by the last Labour Government, continues to centre trans people over women's rights. It is disgraceful that he has used a child's murder to further his cause.

Sunak laid bare his contempt for women, especially the mother of a murdered child & Starmer highlighted this & about bloody time too.

How did Sunak lay bare his contempt for women? How?

This is what he said:

“I think I counted almost 30 in the last year: pensions, planning, peerages, public sector pay, tuition fees, childcare, second referendums, defining a woman – although in fairness that was only 99% of a U-turn. The list goes on but the theme is the same. It’s empty words, broken promises and absolutely no plan.”

He made an amusing dig at Starmer. That's all. He doesn't mention Brianna Ghey. It's nothing to do with Brianna Ghey. Starmer is the one who brought Brianna Ghey into it and decided to make political capital out of Ghey's murder. I have even more contempt for the man than I did before.

And I'm a Labour voter, ffs.

This. Many people, wherever they stand on trans issues, are appalled that on a day when Brianna's mother was visiting Parliament, Sunak chose to make that quip. Even Dan Hodges FFS. Only the fanatical are defending Sunak.

People have lost sense

We’ll be facing laws on language soon and ‘misgendering’

I’m sure some will applaud it. I’m glad many won’t.

They’re both appalling

we live in a cockocracy

yes how is it even about the mother

It’s madness

Fairly sure deliberately misgendering individuals isn't usually allowed.

That's pronouns, not acknowledging obvious biological reality.

Yup, that nails it. Neither of them come out of it well, but then, neither are good politicians. Or even good people.

5% (or probably less now) of the British population are on Twitter.

If you believed in Twitter Corbyn would be PM with a 500 seat majority, and about 10-20% of the British population would be trans.

Twitter is not representative of the population!

Many can see this for what it is, which is emotional blackmail to never reference biological reality.