Starmer furious that Sunak should mention his definition of ‘woman’

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PMQ’s today, Sunak highlighted Starmer’s famous comments that some women have a penis. Starmer was furious that Sunak should make that comment while Mrs Ghey was in the chamber. Surely Starmer should realise that it is possible to be respectful and compassionate about trans people without parroting the insane lie that transwomen are women (because ‘woman’ is sex not gender)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68229785

I am in interested in gender critical beliefs / trans discussions because I am concerned about children and women,particularly women in really vulnerable situations.

I didn't have the opportunity to experiencing pregnancy, and I worry about young girls taking a path that means they will have fertility issues later in life. I didn't know whether I wanted to be a parent well into adulthood.

I feel that women should have the opportunity to be in single sex spaces in certain places where they are particularly vulnerable.

Sunak's comments were divisive and given that Brianna's mum was in or near Parliament very insensitive, just awful. But more over, his comments are so unhelpful because they continue the us vs them narrative and feed into the narrative that my views are 'right wing'. They underdo the work that Forstater, Bailey, Phoenix and so many other women have achieved, by shutting down discussions as we go back to 'taking sides'

I do agree it's unfortunate her mother was in the building, but it should never be controversial to speak biological truth which is essentially what this was.

Very ill judged and poorly timed. I can see this one really haunting him.

@IClaudine apologise for what, telling the truth?

Obviously everyone has sympathy for the bereaved, but the father has posted very different things about his child on his publicly available FB page. Stuff that I assume angered a lot of TRAs.

Wtf? Has my post saying a fact been deleted? @mnhq are you serious? Changing the talk guidelines now again are we so we cannot say men are men?

starmer weaponised this. Rishi was absolutely correct to point out starner doesn't know what a woman is. As he continues to prove.

How dare the dad say that?
So it's OK to dehumanise women entirely by eliminating them as a category but rishi pointing it out if dehumanising? I thought the dad didn't even agree bg was trans?

This has gone way too far if now you can't even acknowledge the sex of men without it being dehumanising. Seems totally OK for women not to exist though.

No one will give a shit tomorrow.

PMQs is a weekly event it is watched and listened to by a very wide audience who all have different experiences and views. RS point was in my view valid, I can understand the view that it would be upsetting as such a tragic event happened for a parent. However, I suspect RS just didn't think of that which is understandable, there is a wider point about when can people voice there views about this issue - as clearly we can't can muzzle people all the time for fear of offending and upsetting others with different views (although I accept on this occasion RS's ideally should have refrained.)

And bloody keir saying everyone has a right to be respected! Except all Labour women.

It appears reality is displaced by delusion.

We’re sleepwalking into language manipulation and censorship around a fact

Regardless of which side of that debate you sit on, it was crass of Sunak to try trans point scoring on the day Briana Ghey's Mum was present.

He's just such a prize bell end, honestly.

He didn't do that though. He mentioned definition of women. Which is not relevant at all to thar person or the murder. The other 4 boys on the list might have been the victim, it's circumstance not a hate crime anyway. The only reason that was added is because it increases the sentence, not because there was any evidence of that.

And the BBC and sky are both pushing that rishi is wrong, with the clear implication being you are not allowed to call tw men or not women ever.

I see the first trans MP has already made it all about them. And backed up Sunak for his inadvertent slip, as he is so trans supportive

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68229785

Jamie Wallis, who was the first MP to say publicly that he had gender dysphoria and is in the process of transitioning, said: "I know from from my own interactions with the prime minister that today's display of insensitivity must have been inadvertent.

"Today has been a tough day for me, but all I can think about right now is Brianna's mother. Let us all think of her as we choose how to progress with this debate."

Womens rights are about women not trans men. Can we not define women ever without centreing men? Its not about trans. Transmen are women too.

What they mean by apology is state out loud that bg was a girl.
He cannot do that.

This is more important. Let's hope bg mother makes a statement saying that soon.

Exactly I cringe at the media talking about trans

Women’s rights. It’s about women

It was also crass of Starmer to try and make political leverage out of this and reading some of the responses on X, others seem to think so too. How did we ever get to this; where discussion of biological reality could become so toxic and divided. Now WEP have waded in on X; no surprise there, they seem as confused as Starmer.

The concept that 0.1% of women have a penis is actually transphobic. Gender dysphoria is being uncomfortable with your body, the men who truly suffer from gender dysphoria don't want a penis because women do not have them.

For all the trans women who are outraged over the refrain that women don't have penises I say to them "why did you get rid of yours then?".

Is Sunak desperate, to have to bring it up?
But yes that is what Starmer said, and everyone was disappointed that such a highly intelligent man could be such a dick.

One thing that today's debacle has finally put to bed, is the fiction that 'trans rights (demands?) are nothing to do with women's rights'.

All Rishi did was talk about women, and Starmer went off the deep end. It's all about the T to him.

We all know that you can't hand out women's rights like sweeties to men, without affecting women's rights.

Why bring that up on a day where you know the family of a murdered trans person are present and they recently lifted restrictions and said the transphobia of one of the murderers was a factor?
It's completely unacceptable and lacking in any empathy from the PM. Worse that he's now doubling down refusing to apologise and calling in the flying monkeys to make it seem "not that bad".

And shows how polarised the debate is that some people can't even bring themselves to acknowledge the hurt caused because "they are just telling the truth". There's a time and a place and in front of a bereaved mother isn't it.