Starmer furious that Sunak should mention his definition of ‘woman’

[HagoftheNorth]

PMQ’s today, Sunak highlighted Starmer’s famous comments that some women have a penis. Starmer was furious that Sunak should make that comment while Mrs Ghey was in the chamber. Surely Starmer should realise that it is possible to be respectful and compassionate about trans people without parroting the insane lie that transwomen are women (because ‘woman’ is sex not gender)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68229785

Exactly.

And the Conservatives have had a very long time to make changes to the GRA.

There are some honourable exceptions, but they have found it much easier to grasp ‘ha ha man in a dress’ than ‘women’s rights are being eroded’.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12341781/amp/Keir-Starmer-finally-accepts-woman-adult-female-Labour-leader-confirms-party-U-turn-gender-self-identification-admits-policy-not-right-way-forward.html

You can’t have missed this. Also in the Telegraph and other right wing media of choice.

Has Sunak said he’ll repeal it then? Has it even been hinted that there’s a possibility of it becoming Tory policy? After all they’ve had 14 years to do it. Of course they were considering legalising self ID seven years ago so that would be a huge flip flop wouldn’t it?

So has Sunak suggested he would repeal the GRA, or end the practice of issuing GRCs?

If you don't vote nothing will change on account of your thoughts. Spoiling your paper will make no difference. You might as well stay at home and eat chocolate.

@BIossomtoes it is not true that all mainstream media aside from The Telegraph are presenting Sunak’s remarks as an outrage. Most are reporting both interpretations.

You’re better off reading threads on the GRA

I thought you avoided this section so I won’t spend time answering. Feel free to search it up

My honourable friend wouldn't know which end of a fire extinguisher to use.

"You unfeeling monster! Somebody's house burned down last month!"

That the level of Starmer's rhetoric.

Oh, we’re back to Google it again, are we? 😂

For you. You can find your own stuff 😬

Fuck that 😂

If they’re reporting both then the outrage isn’t confined to social media, is it?

The Prime Minister's childish dig was at Keir Starmer and is a regular theme at the PMQ. As the headlines at the time read "Keir Starmer says 99.9% of women 'haven't got a penis'". It was not connected to the Brianna Ghey tragedy. It was Keir Starmer himself who brought Brianna's family into the mix, I believe in an attempt to muddy the waters and make political capital from the jibe. Shame on him.

Amazing that women are killed every bloody week, but it’s never a bad time for TRAs to trample our rights. 🙄

You still haven’t answered my question. Is repealing the GRA Tory policy? Yes or no?

Are you finding it hard to get

I have zero intention of answering your questions

😂😂

Glad we’re all laughing 😂😂

Numpties 😬

So no?

according to the Mail article

“Sir Keir faced a backlash earlier this year after he claimed that 99.9 per cent of women do not have a penis – implying that one in a thousand women have male genitalia”

That certainly overstates GRC holders, but for the last 14 years of Tory rule it has been possible to legally change sex, and until recently the Tories wanted to introduce self ID to that process.

Does Sunak understand what he is talking about?

Seven years ago there really was no awareness, and certainly no debate, on this issue; including in the Tory party. The Labour party even had the mantra TWAW which was used to close down any questions at all. It was all pushed in on the coat tails of gay marriage equality so that nobody would really notice, or analyse the implications.

Read the threads on here. There’s loads of stuff if you’re interested in the GRA

For those posters saying why haven’t the Tory’s done anything about gender identity in the last 7 (or whatever) years - have you been living under a stone? Look at what’s happened in Australia and Canada to see how things might have been. Personally, I’m grateful to be living on Terf Island without the threat that my kids will be removed and transitioned if I don’t support their feelings on their gender identity etc

Given even organisations like the UN are espousing TWAW, it’s going to take a strong stand to defend what we’ve got. I don’t trust Starmer to do that, I don’t even believe he wants to. He just doesn’t want to say so, and is happy to use Brianna Ghey so that he doesn’t have to. That’s despicable

@BIossomtoes I repeat , the comments are not universally being reported as if it was an outrageous thing to say on Sunak’s part and in
most papers it is well inside the paper reported alongside the rest of the Parliamentary news. The idea that the general population is up in arms over the PM ‘s comments is a fantasy.

Legally 'changing sex' is not the same as being a woman.

Womanhood is a material reality.

As leader of the Labour party, which has its philosophical roots in materialist dialectics, Starmer should really understand the material reality of women as a sex class.

Just one point to make, when it comes to your suggestion of collective DARVO and all of us being manipulated by Sunak, which you alluded to in your earlier post.

I only saw that Sunak has blamed Starmer on the link from the BBC News Item that was posted on page 26 of this thread almost 24 hours after this thread was first posted. Sunak may have said something about it before but if he did that was the first time I was aware of it. So how are you suggesting that Starmer has manipulated me or anyone else on this thread who said we think it is Starmer who was in the wrong before we knew that he has (rightly in my opinion) stated that it is Starmer who has actually done what he has been accused of?

Because I don't get how that works.

I also think the idea that people who don't agree with you must be the victims of group manipulation a little strange.