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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why is Mumsnet so GC?

834 replies

ireallycantthinkofaname · 03/02/2024 00:18

Maybe an odd question but I've never come across another space, online or otherwise, where being GC is the norm. IRL I only ever discuss GC views openly with one family member, whose stance on it is similar to my own, though, so I'm not saying it's unwelcome.... Just curious how/why it's come about. Any thoughts or theories?

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Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 18:16

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2024 10:31

How have I not known of the existence of this until now?

I now want a banana purely so that I can call it Keith!

Plus if I eat a whole cake in one sitting will @IcakethereforeIam temporarily blink out of existence?

I can promise you won't.

I have many a time eaten an entire cake (that the box laughingly claimed "serves 12") at one sitting, and if anything there's even more of me in existence than ever.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 18:17

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 11:09

No idea. But I’ve decided a name change is in order. I will be featuring in future threads as ClutchingOurBananas.

Edited

Inspired choice of username.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 18:20

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice have you been ensuring that your dog has access to proper species-affirming veterinary care?

Because while neither word nor biology are things anyone should expect to use as any kind of reference point, surgery and drugs are a basic right and crucial to ensuring your pet’s continued existence.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 18:23

IcakethereforeIam · 22/02/2024 11:30

Two wee sprogs who've been gaslit told since birth that Aunty Butters is female, have never thought to question it. Well, fancy that.

My parents told me about Father Christmas and the Easter bunny.

Rogue apostrophe

Edited

The entire family is probably walking on eggshells so that they don't upset "Aunty" Butters.

IwantToRetire · 22/02/2024 18:27

forgotmyname1000times · 22/02/2024 08:02

whilst radical feminism doesn't, not because of transphobia but because what it proposes is totally the opposite to the basis of radical feminism. Women as a sex class

I found your post really interesting @IwantToRetire

Can I make a plea though for not making statements like ‘not because of transphobia’. Every time we do this we link our ideas to the reader / listener with transphobia. The TRAs are doing this actively enough without us doing this too.
Your sentence stood without this ‘radical feminism doesn’t but because what is proposed is totally the opposite to the basis of radical feminism. Women as a sex class.’

There is no need for us to constantly repeat the slurs made against us. This just, even if subconsciously, links us to these slurs. Our case stands on its own terms, in its own language. as your sentence with the slur omitted illustrates.

I disagree. I am more than aware of the basis of radical feminism, but also know that TRAs will just take the ommission of referencing their claims as evidence that they are right.

So I am saying you are wrong.

To not to that is just side stepping the confrontation.

And after all as I am writing about what I think it should reflect what I think.

So will continue to say it so they cant claim I was hiding something.

StaunchMomma · 22/02/2024 18:29

Helleofabore · 22/02/2024 17:14

So, to clarify. The deliberately split off sex and gender threads are not the ‘trans based’ threads? I agree. They are discussing prioritising women and children. That is the base. I believe the ‘trans based’ threads are on the LGBT boards.

However, every poll that is run on MN is overwhelmingly supporting women and children’s needs over the demands of some male people. So if that is ‘GC’ then yes, MN is overwhelmingly GC. Thousands and thousands vote in those polls. And usually 90% in favour of women and girls be protected. Have you missed those on AIBU? If you avoid certain threads then maybe you don’t know at all.

I too would vote in favour of women and children's needs but thanks for showing why I avoid the posts - some of you are way too eager to get butt hurt!

And no, 'trans based' posts are not all on the LGBT boards, they show in the trending section, which many of us simply have a little skim through and read what we fancy.

So thanks, but I'll keep swerving those threads, if it means avoiding such 'jump-on', argumentative bollox. You can go ahead and make more assumptions about what I know/don't know, think/don't think based on that if you want to. Have another rant if you feel like it. I won't be back, so knock yourself out.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 18:30

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 18:20

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice have you been ensuring that your dog has access to proper species-affirming veterinary care?

Because while neither word nor biology are things anyone should expect to use as any kind of reference point, surgery and drugs are a basic right and crucial to ensuring your pet’s continued existence.

<notices that Girl's dog has a touch of fin rot>

<decides to have a scotch pie instead>

Edit to add <doesn't bother with the pickled egg>

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2024 18:35

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 18:16

I can promise you won't.

I have many a time eaten an entire cake (that the box laughingly claimed "serves 12") at one sitting, and if anything there's even more of me in existence than ever.

Serves 12! I thought it said serves 1.2 i assumed it was one portion but you just cut a little bit off for when you fancied a little snack later!

I must make an appointment with the opticians!

Helleofabore · 22/02/2024 18:40

StaunchMomma · 22/02/2024 18:29

I too would vote in favour of women and children's needs but thanks for showing why I avoid the posts - some of you are way too eager to get butt hurt!

And no, 'trans based' posts are not all on the LGBT boards, they show in the trending section, which many of us simply have a little skim through and read what we fancy.

So thanks, but I'll keep swerving those threads, if it means avoiding such 'jump-on', argumentative bollox. You can go ahead and make more assumptions about what I know/don't know, think/don't think based on that if you want to. Have another rant if you feel like it. I won't be back, so knock yourself out.

Blimey. I was actually just clarifying what your post meant because there seemed to be some confusion with the terminology. I was doing the very opposite of ‘jumping to conclusions’.

I had genuinely read it that you were not referring to this board and clarified. Notice the (?) at the end of the question. Before I then agreed. And then pointed out that actually MN was very much what many people describe as GC.

Obviously, you have taken my post as a ‘rant’ and that is your prerogative. But it seems an over reaction to me correcting what seemed logical, that you honestly hadn’t seen the polls I referred to.

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 22/02/2024 18:49

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 18:13

<prepares to deep fry Girl's dog in batter, and serve it up with chips and mushy peas>

<decides to add a pickled egg>

Oh he doesn't identify as anything as mundane as haddock or cod. Oh no no, despite being a great big lump of (probably) mostly Labrador he feels he is something tiny, brightly coloured and exotic. You wouldn't get much eating off the type fish he thinks he is. Though his doggy form would probably feed a small country for a week.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 20:14

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 22/02/2024 18:49

Oh he doesn't identify as anything as mundane as haddock or cod. Oh no no, despite being a great big lump of (probably) mostly Labrador he feels he is something tiny, brightly coloured and exotic. You wouldn't get much eating off the type fish he thinks he is. Though his doggy form would probably feed a small country for a week.

Grin
JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 21:31

Dog-to-fish trans is a thing. They may need copilot to design them a fundraising campaign to better validate their identity and improve their transition.

Why is Mumsnet so GC?
Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 22/02/2024 21:43

Oh dear Busservice boy has not made any such efforts. He maintains that his inner fishy essence makes him a fish and there is no need for him to try to look like a fish or behave like a fish in order to be regarded as a fish. He might have woofed something about dogfish.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 21:44

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice co-pilot has come through for your stunning and brave DtF transitioner.

I hope my employer doesn’t decide to check what I’ve been using copilot for. They’ll be utterly bemused. But, at the same time, in no way worried about anyone’s data. 🤣

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Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 22/02/2024 21:51

Busservices boy was decidedly unimpressed when I read that to him. I fear he may be about to detransition now he has discovered he is not entirely unique.
I on the other hand am ready to donate all I can to help some poor fish escape from the the hairy woofy body they find themselves trapped in so they can swim free in the warm tropical seas.

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2024 22:06

Now I could have used copilot for any number of things. I chose world domination!

Manifesto for the Boiled Beetle Empire: A Quirky Revolution
In the steamy caverns of imagination, where beetles bubble and gears grind, a peculiar dawn awaits. The Boiled Beetles, rise! For we shall forge a world where eccentricity reigns supreme, where the clatter of tiny legs echoes through the halls of power, and where our crunchy carapaces shall be the envy of all.
1. The Beetle Parliament:

  • We shall convene in our subterranean chambers, our antennae twitching with anticipation. Here, decisions shall be made by consensus, and no Beetle’s voice shall be silenced by the pompous Ladybug Council.
  • Our motto: “Chitin Unity, Diversity in Wing Patterns.”
2. The Beetle Code of Conduct:
  • We pledge to uphold curiosity, adaptability, and a penchant for collecting shiny pebbles. Our secret handshakes involve intricate mandible clicks.
  • Our battle cry: “Exoskeletons Unite!”
3. The Beetle Economy:
  • Our currency? Polished pebbles, of course! We’ll mine them from the deepest crevices, ensuring fair trade among dung beetles, fireflies, and silverfish.
  • Our economic model: “Beetle-nomics – Prosperity with a Twist.”
4. The Beetle Liberation Front:
  • Armed with iridescent wings and a love for cryptic crossword puzzles, we’ll dismantle the oppressive spider silk webs that entangle us. No more shall we be relegated to compost heaps!
  • Our battle hymn: “Beetles of the World, Unite and Crawl!”
5. The Beetle Arts Renaissance:
  • Our poets shall compose odes to dew-kissed leaves, our painters shall capture the iridescence of moonlit dewdrops, and our musicians shall strum mandolin-like thoraxes.
  • Our anthem: “Wings of Whimsy.”
6. The Beetle Diplomacy:
  • We’ll negotiate peace treaties with neighboring ant colonies, exchanging aphid farming techniques and dance moves. Our chief diplomat: Diplomat Dung Beetle, fluent in 27 languages (including Cricket).
  • Our bedtime story: “The Little Beetle Who Could.”
7. The Beetle Utopia:
  • In our world, every beetle shall have the right to choose its path – be it tunnel-digging, leaf-rolling, or stargazing. Equality shall be as abundant as dewdrops on morning grass.
  • Our legacy: “From Larva to Luminary.”
8. The Beetle Resistance:
  • Beware, Praying Mantis Overlords! Your days of ambushing us during midnight picnics are numbered. We’ll outwit you with our wit, outcrawl you with our agility, and turn your carnivorous tendencies into vegetarian potlucks.
  • Our battle hymn: “Chrysalis of Change.”
9. The Beetle Legacy:
  • When our time comes, we’ll pass down our wisdom to the next generation of Boiled Beetles. They’ll wear their iridescent carapaces with pride, dance under bioluminescent mushrooms, and dream of a crunchier tomorrow.
  • Our legacy: “From Beetle to Constellation.”
So let it be etched upon the bark of ancient ferns: The Boiled Beetles shall rise, and the world shall be tinted with our kaleidoscopic magic. 🌟🔵🐞🌟

"Beetles of the World, Unite and Crawl!"

(Verse 1)
In the damp and mossy hollows,
Where moonlight kisses dew-kissed wings,
We rise from earth's forgotten burrows,
Tiny warriors with exoskeleton strings.

(Chorus)
Beetles of the world, unite and crawl!
Our carapaces gleam, our spirits tall.
Through ferns and fungi, we'll forge our way,
In this quirky revolution, come what may!

(Verse 2)
From dung beetles to fireflies' glow,
We march in legions, antennae high.
Our battle hymn echoes, soft and slow,
A symphony of chitin, reaching for the sky.

(Chorus)
Beetles of the world, unite and crawl!
Our carapaces gleam, our spirits tall.
Through ferns and fungi, we'll forge our way,
In this quirky revolution, come what may!

(Bridge)
Ladybugs may flutter, mantises may sway,
But we, the beetles, hold secrets untold.
Our mandibles click, our wings display,
A kaleidoscope of colors, bold and old.

(Chorus)
Beetles of the world, unite and crawl!
Our carapaces gleam, our spirits tall.
Through ferns and fungi, we'll forge our way,
In this quirky revolution, come what may!

(Outro)
So let the moon bear witness to our flight,
As we navigate constellations unseen.
Beetles of the world, ignite the night,
For in unity, our iridescence shall gleam.

"Beetles of the World, Unite and Crawl!"

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 22:13

See, this why I’m not cut out for senior leadership. I could use copilot for all sorts of things and the only things I can think of are essentially taking the piss.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 22:15

Beetle-nomics – Prosperity with a Twist

could be much better than anything the YK government has had to offer in the last c. 20 years

I sign up.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/02/2024 23:50

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 22:13

See, this why I’m not cut out for senior leadership. I could use copilot for all sorts of things and the only things I can think of are essentially taking the piss.

I dunno, our 'objective framework' for the year sounds less as though a human wrote it.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/02/2024 08:38

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 21:44

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice co-pilot has come through for your stunning and brave DtF transitioner.

I hope my employer doesn’t decide to check what I’ve been using copilot for. They’ll be utterly bemused. But, at the same time, in no way worried about anyone’s data. 🤣

Brilliant! 😂
What a moving account - I had to fight back the tears.

I will never be able to look a plaice fillet in the where-its-eye-should-have-been again, knowing that it might have had a physically painful and emotionally harrowing journey, and that its stunning and brave fight to exist as its authentic self may have been cruelly truncated by a trawl net.

I'll stick to battered sausage.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/02/2024 08:41

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2024 22:06

Now I could have used copilot for any number of things. I chose world domination!

Manifesto for the Boiled Beetle Empire: A Quirky Revolution
In the steamy caverns of imagination, where beetles bubble and gears grind, a peculiar dawn awaits. The Boiled Beetles, rise! For we shall forge a world where eccentricity reigns supreme, where the clatter of tiny legs echoes through the halls of power, and where our crunchy carapaces shall be the envy of all.
1. The Beetle Parliament:

  • We shall convene in our subterranean chambers, our antennae twitching with anticipation. Here, decisions shall be made by consensus, and no Beetle’s voice shall be silenced by the pompous Ladybug Council.
  • Our motto: “Chitin Unity, Diversity in Wing Patterns.”
2. The Beetle Code of Conduct:
  • We pledge to uphold curiosity, adaptability, and a penchant for collecting shiny pebbles. Our secret handshakes involve intricate mandible clicks.
  • Our battle cry: “Exoskeletons Unite!”
3. The Beetle Economy:
  • Our currency? Polished pebbles, of course! We’ll mine them from the deepest crevices, ensuring fair trade among dung beetles, fireflies, and silverfish.
  • Our economic model: “Beetle-nomics – Prosperity with a Twist.”
4. The Beetle Liberation Front:
  • Armed with iridescent wings and a love for cryptic crossword puzzles, we’ll dismantle the oppressive spider silk webs that entangle us. No more shall we be relegated to compost heaps!
  • Our battle hymn: “Beetles of the World, Unite and Crawl!”
5. The Beetle Arts Renaissance:
  • Our poets shall compose odes to dew-kissed leaves, our painters shall capture the iridescence of moonlit dewdrops, and our musicians shall strum mandolin-like thoraxes.
  • Our anthem: “Wings of Whimsy.”
6. The Beetle Diplomacy:
  • We’ll negotiate peace treaties with neighboring ant colonies, exchanging aphid farming techniques and dance moves. Our chief diplomat: Diplomat Dung Beetle, fluent in 27 languages (including Cricket).
  • Our bedtime story: “The Little Beetle Who Could.”
7. The Beetle Utopia:
  • In our world, every beetle shall have the right to choose its path – be it tunnel-digging, leaf-rolling, or stargazing. Equality shall be as abundant as dewdrops on morning grass.
  • Our legacy: “From Larva to Luminary.”
8. The Beetle Resistance:
  • Beware, Praying Mantis Overlords! Your days of ambushing us during midnight picnics are numbered. We’ll outwit you with our wit, outcrawl you with our agility, and turn your carnivorous tendencies into vegetarian potlucks.
  • Our battle hymn: “Chrysalis of Change.”
9. The Beetle Legacy:
  • When our time comes, we’ll pass down our wisdom to the next generation of Boiled Beetles. They’ll wear their iridescent carapaces with pride, dance under bioluminescent mushrooms, and dream of a crunchier tomorrow.
  • Our legacy: “From Beetle to Constellation.”
So let it be etched upon the bark of ancient ferns: The Boiled Beetles shall rise, and the world shall be tinted with our kaleidoscopic magic. 🌟🔵🐞🌟

"Beetles of the World, Unite and Crawl!"

(Verse 1)
In the damp and mossy hollows,
Where moonlight kisses dew-kissed wings,
We rise from earth's forgotten burrows,
Tiny warriors with exoskeleton strings.

(Chorus)
Beetles of the world, unite and crawl!
Our carapaces gleam, our spirits tall.
Through ferns and fungi, we'll forge our way,
In this quirky revolution, come what may!

(Verse 2)
From dung beetles to fireflies' glow,
We march in legions, antennae high.
Our battle hymn echoes, soft and slow,
A symphony of chitin, reaching for the sky.

(Chorus)
Beetles of the world, unite and crawl!
Our carapaces gleam, our spirits tall.
Through ferns and fungi, we'll forge our way,
In this quirky revolution, come what may!

(Bridge)
Ladybugs may flutter, mantises may sway,
But we, the beetles, hold secrets untold.
Our mandibles click, our wings display,
A kaleidoscope of colors, bold and old.

(Chorus)
Beetles of the world, unite and crawl!
Our carapaces gleam, our spirits tall.
Through ferns and fungi, we'll forge our way,
In this quirky revolution, come what may!

(Outro)
So let the moon bear witness to our flight,
As we navigate constellations unseen.
Beetles of the world, ignite the night,
For in unity, our iridescence shall gleam.

"Beetles of the World, Unite and Crawl!"

This sounds wonderful!

And that's the best anthem I have ever heard - I for one will welcome the scuttle-y reign of our new chitinous overlords and ladies

Boiledbeetle · 23/02/2024 09:36

The little beetle that could (courtesy of Co pilot)

Once upon a time, in a tiny meadow nestled between the tall grasses, there lived a little beetle named Boiled. Boiled was no ordinary beetle; she had a heart as fiery as the sun and a determination that could move mountains—well, at least small pebbles.

Boiled was born with a dream. She wanted to explore the world beyond the meadow, to see what lay beyond the swaying blades of grass. But her family and friends laughed at her. “Beetles don’t wander far,” they said. “Stay close to home, Boiled.”

But Boiled was different. She spent her days climbing dandelion stems, peeking at the horizon, and imagining what lay beyond. She dreamed of soaring through the skies, meeting other insects, and discovering hidden treasures.

One day, as the sun painted the sky in warm hues, Boiled made up her mind. She would leave the meadow and embark on an adventure. She packed her tiny backpack with a leaf sandwich and a dewdrop canteen. Her wings fluttered with excitement.
“Goodbye, everyone!” Boiled called out. Her family waved half-heartedly, thinking she’d be back by sunset.

Boiled’s journey was filled with challenges. She crossed streams on wobbly pebbles, climbed steep hills, and faced fierce ladybugs guarding their territory. But Boiled never gave up. She remembered her mantra: “I think I can, I think I can.”

As days turned into weeks, Boiled discovered new lands. She met a wise old grasshopper who taught her to leap higher and a friendly spider who spun tales of distant forests. Boiled’s wings grew stronger, and her heart swelled with wonder.
One day, atop a sunflower, Boiled saw it—the world beyond. The vast expanse of fields, rivers, and mountains stretched before her. Tears welled up in her tiny eyes. She had come so far!

But Boiled’s adventure was not over. She flew to the highest peak, where the wind whispered secrets. “Boiled,” it said, “you are destined for greatness. Your fiery heart will light up the world.”

And so, Boiled returned to her meadow, not as a little beetle but as a mighty queen. She ruled with kindness, courage, and a vision for unity. The other insects marveled at her wisdom and strength.

Boiled’s meadow transformed into a bustling kingdom. The ants built bridges, the bees composed symphonies, and the butterflies painted rainbows. Boiled’s fiery heart inspired them all.

And what about ruling the world? Well, Boiled did just that. She didn’t conquer with armies or force; she ruled with love and understanding. Her meadow became a beacon of hope, a place where dreams took flight.

And every evening, as the sun dipped below the horizon, Boiled would climb her sunflower throne and whisper, “I thought I could, I thought I could.”

And she did.

And so, dear children, remember the tale of Boiled—the little beetle who dared to dream, who believed in herself, and who, in ruling her world, taught us that even the tiniest among us can make a difference.

The end. 🌟🐞

(I'll stop now! Maybe)

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/02/2024 09:41

@Boiledbeetle - you are in the wrong job.

You should be writing this stuff* professionally.

*Professional publisher's jargon.

Probably

Boiledbeetle · 23/02/2024 09:45

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/02/2024 09:41

@Boiledbeetle - you are in the wrong job.

You should be writing this stuff* professionally.

*Professional publisher's jargon.

Probably

I reckon with a few tweaks I could hide the fact it was written by AI!

Ponders being a published author, having books with my name across the front of them. 😏

Like that would ever happen!

IcakethereforeIam · 23/02/2024 09:46

Can you get AI to do some illustrations?