Why is Mumsnet so GC?

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Maybe an odd question but I've never come across another space, online or otherwise, where being GC is the norm. IRL I only ever discuss GC views openly with one family member, whose stance on it is similar to my own, though, so I'm not saying it's unwelcome.... Just curious how/why it's come about. Any thoughts or theories?

There is no ‘profanity filtering’ on MN.

We can fucking swear like a fucking shit sandwich with sodding bollocks on top of we fucking want to.

Not sure then!

Imagine LOJ on a banana boat clutching his gender-neutral compass.

DAY - O!
DAY AY AY - O!

Did you post any links @ButterflyHatched?

I think some pee just escaped!

If they think you're a woman, that's a massive lie!

How can you say you have no interest in lying!!!

Honestly it's unbelievable.

Children suffer horribly when they realise they have been lied to by the adults around them.

Just to make an adult male feel better about their own old-fashioned stereotypes. It's you who is living in the 1960s.

Indeed. It's actually labelled the one with all the swearing.

Sorry, fucking swearing.

I don't think it's 'the norm' here at all.

Many of us come for the parking threads and other general batshittery. I don't tend to read the trans based threads at all.

Sorry, yes - good point - I also come here because we can swear and I fucking bolloxing like to 😁

It's quite depressing that 'gender critical feminism' is now seen to be 'trans based threads '. Feminism, and our objection to gender stereotypes being inflicted on women and children has become dominated by issues about males.

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That is partly because of the campaign to split the boards.

I think there is a clear cause and effect chain here resulting from the decision to rebrand an existing movement as 'gender critical' at a time when discussions about gender and awareness and acceptance of trans people had firmly entered the general public consciousness.

I believe that the 'rebranding' was all done by extreme trans activists, but I would be very happy to be proven wrong. I believe it was them who started to detach the 'feminist' from Gender Critical in the attempt to wedge in the huge number of groups, who are absolutely not gender critical, to then discredit and shame feminists.

'nothing ever comes up and they have no idea'
'i give them information if something comes up'.

Both things cannot be true. Either they have questions or nothing ever comes up.

Axiomatic nonsense yet again.

I think some of the supposed ‘rebranding’ was actually in response to the whole TERF as a slur thing. So the conversation went: it’s not about excluding trans people; it’s that gender is represssive and regressive bullshit.

But TRAs used GC as a slur and lumped in everyone who disagrees with gender ideology (even though some of them love gender stereotypes) and still people seem to think this all centres around trans people and wanting to eradicate them or something.

Either way the aim is to distort and catastrophise and make trans the centre of everyone’s universe it seems.

Yeah... what 'decision to rebrand'?
I'm pretty sure no one consulted us before the false teaming started.

"how frustrated I am with social programming I've been observing amongst my own relatives"

I wonder how they feel about you and your social programming. It's not as if any of us get to escape from society and its effects, and in my experience people who think they've escaped social programming are often the ones who are most biassed by it.

If you're referring to my post, as I used the term 'trans based threads', then I have to disagree with you. I don't see GC feminism as 'trans based' at all, I just avoid a lot of the 'trans based' threads on this platform and hence, as was my original point, don't see being GC as 'the norm' on Mumsnet at all, because I think lots of us don't prioritise those threads.

Rebranding == 'women's words stolen and used to mean something very different' - again?
'Gender critical' is now wilfully misrepresented as 'critical of transgender people' rather than 'critical of gender stereotypes'.

I suspect that some people have a very different definition of ‘lying’ than others. And I suspect that it is entirely based on this ideological belief that somehow a male person can be a ‘woman’.

A family deeply entrenched in ideology would not consider it a lie to say ‘but I am a woman’ thus signaling that ideology to all members of the family. I also suspect that some family members who will not subvert their need for describing material reality and so call ‘social programming’ will be a contention in family relationships.

So, to clarify. The deliberately split off sex and gender threads are not the ‘trans based’ threads? I agree. They are discussing prioritising women and children. That is the base. I believe the ‘trans based’ threads are on the LGBT boards.

However, every poll that is run on MN is overwhelmingly supporting women and children’s needs over the demands of some male people. So if that is ‘GC’ then yes, MN is overwhelmingly GC. Thousands and thousands vote in those polls. And usually 90% in favour of women and girls be protected. Have you missed those on AIBU? If you avoid certain threads then maybe you don’t know at all.

Tbh, I am a female-centred feminist. Unashamedly. FC Feminist. Thinking gender is a hugely harmful concept to be fought against is part of that.

The idea that feminists should be shamed for centring female people is insidious.

I am also all for safeguarding children.

<prepares to deep fry Girl's dog in batter, and serve it up with chips and mushy peas>

<decides to add a pickled egg>