Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

[ResisterRex]

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

'"Sexist abuse such as bitch, cow and other less printable epithets make many women trade unionists feel they are outsiders in a movement that has such feelings of hatred towards Thatcher purely as a woman," wrote Fightback for Women's Rights, a group associated with the Labour Party, in an open letter in 1980.'

https://www.salon.com/2013/04/08/thatcher_a_female_icon_but_not_a_feminist_one/

Yes it was shocking, and it's a major regret that I didn't walk away. But I think we kidded ourselves we could change the culture from within. Sounds familiar?

I think we're all expressing the core idea that the fact KIS can't name them is problematic - not for the absence of names but for what it says about the culture.

And, for me, it's the circular problem of no visible action nor culture shift. We see what happens (see Equal Pay, the GRA) when women are told to take things on trust and deceived as to others having our best interests at heart.

Nullius in verba.

Trust but verify.

In terms of a shift, I guess they would argue that Labour outwardly dropping its commitment to self ID is a sign of progress. But then I look more carefully at the wording of that statement, and I see them swerving any discussion about how they envisage the GRC in relation to single sex services, and that endless repetition of 'Let me be clear' when they're being anything but, and all the photo calls with Stonewall while not even letting Labour Women's Declaration have an official place at the conference....

I could go on but really I think the fundamental problem for me is that I just don't trust or respect them any more, and I don't believe any more that they can change. It's sad but can't see any way back from that.

Same, Floisme. They don't seem to understand that once trust has gone, it takes work to regain it. Making very vague gestures towards correcting course is not enough.

They need to acknowledge the fact they ejecting women like Karen Ingala Smith - just fucking think about the madness of that for a minute!!! - in favour of men's sexual rights. There needs to be reparation.

Then they need to make cast iron guarantees on women's rights, in crystal clear language.

But they're not going to. That much is very clear.

Anyway, the Conservative party is "packed the rafters" with misogynistics and sex pests, yet people on here still think they are a good voting choice if you are a feminist.

I don’t think they are a good voting choice, I do think Labour, which is also packed to the rafters with misogynists, sex pests and men’s rights activists is a worse choice right now.

Another memory of 80s rallies - one I hadn't thought about for ages - men (and mostly but women too) singing, 'We are coming to get you Maggie Thatch'. I can't remember the name of the tune now but it's a well known football chant and not a friendly one.

That was 40 years ago. At the time I thought it could be changed but now there's a new generation behaving in just the same way.

I think Mrs Thatcher and gender critical feminists serve a similar function for left wing misogynists - they give them an excuse to express their abhorrent attitudes and still feel they're the good guys.

The best feminist voting choice is to vote on local candidate. There are Labour trans activists and Conservative trans activists, and there are those who are not. The Conservative party doesn't police its members on this subject with the vehemence Labour does, so more Conservative MPs are willing to speak up publicly, but Labour ones do exist.

I've spoken to members of my constituency conservative party and constituency labour party, along with the candidates themselves, and that was informative.

The problem with all politicians, whichever party, is that even if they think trans ideology is madness what counts is them standing up and opposing it.

If its an issue they arent willing to talk about openly until the time is right, or are willing to compromise on to get something they are really passionate about through, they arent helpful.

MP who arent motivation to speak while in opposition, arent going to when in power. Thats the problem i see with a labour government, there will be so much pressure to keep quiet.

It could be that lots of new labour MP will be more critical of trans ideology and shame the existing MPs, but im not holding my breath.

I'm a bit late on this one, but why do people insist that this is a "single" issue??

For starters it affects hate speech laws that control free speech to such a horrifying degree that we are bordering on thought crimes now. That is scary stuff. This is only a few small steps away from we're building camps to dump the unwanted in. How people are not freaking out about this I do not understand.

Second this is about the rewinding of women's rights by about a 100 years. Again, shocking.

Third the rewinding of gay rights and protections of gay people and mostly gay kids who are now being transed.

Fourth the safe guarding of children. How many dangerous pedos have already past the review that were working on close proximity to kids under the alphabet soup club. And how about their mental health that is being destroyed by the trans propaganda?

Fifth the safe guarding of mentally impaired or vulnerable adults

Sixth the allocation of funds for "health care" to support a dogmatic religion while cancer patients are not receiving the care they need.

Seventh the complete capture of our government and all services, media, law enforcement,... by a dangerous religion.

This is NOT a single issue.

It could be that lots of new labour MP will be more critical of trans ideology and shame the existing MPs, but im not holding my breath.

My concern is that new MPs (of which ours would be one, if elected), wouldn't want to put their heads above the parapet too soon (on any issue). Plus, if any votes on legislation are whipped, are they going to defy the Whip when they're new? I can't see it.

Which means that even if my local candidate is GC, I still can't vote for him, as it's too much of a risk. In fact, as per the trust issues raised up thread, I'm not sure I'd trust the Labour Party in general , whatever they say now.

Well said, @OneMorePlant!

(The one issue people often like to reduce it to toilet use, from what I've noticed,)

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This is true. We're being asked to have faith that MPs and prospective MPs who are too scared of the rest of the party to speak up now will be willing to publicly vote in women's interests in Parliament one day.

Gosh - doesn't he look sincere and trustworthy . . . 🙄

Mr PR executive LGBTI inclusion quango man is the great Labour hope for business strategy?

He flounced from a conservative PR job once he found out that the conservatives don't believe in gender identity! He was all over the papers saying exactly that and we're expected to be excited that this former journalist can do anything useful for businesses?

Don't make me laugh.

I started a thread on this under my original name a few weeks back and it ended up with posters like Adam posting the same old tired shit about Labour good, Tory bad. Tiresome.

It's a dreadful position to be in - being forced to vote for the "least worst" party, rather than for the best one.

I hate Thatcher and I hate Blair.

The two of them got us into this position. Thatcher broke the country and Blair broke Labour.

The rest have just been an inevitable slide into a pit of sh!t.

For starters it affects hate speech laws that control free speech to such a horrifying degree that we are bordering on thought crimes now. That is scary stuff. This is only a few small steps away from we're building camps to dump the unwanted in. How people are not freaking out about this I do not understand.

You're not bloody kidding!

We'll have neighbour shopping neighbour, kids shopping their parents, brother shopping sister etc - all with made up "hate crimes" whenever there's an argument about the bins, a bedtime curfew, or an inheritance in the offing.

This will make Maoist China, Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany (Godwin's law - sorry) look like rank amateurs.

Look at the way the police behave now towards people who so much as post a sticker on their own window, or even have a book in the house that some TRA hobby bobby doesn't like the title of. Imagine what it will be like when they have real powers of arrest and prosecution for things like this!

But then I’d be voting for a party that is unable to discern reality as well as one that is hostile to women of the biological kind. Neither of those appeal to me as a female voter. If they cannot admit or manage this one issue, that also has implications for how they’d handle other issues such as academic freedom. No, I might as well spoil my ballot as the last resort. It’s a more honest response than voting for a party that’s willing to privilege men over women.

I’d vote Labour before Green in Scotland. Patrick Harvie and Lorna Slater are poisonous. Please Labour, just make me able to vote for you!

Yep. Labour are not ‘good’

They have poor economic policies and gender belief on top

What, Scottish Labour who whipped MSPs to support the Gender Recognition Reform Bill?

Whose editor of Labour Hame Duncan Hothersall has just praised Glasgow Women's Library for displaying a lesbophobic genderist comic book?

Etc, etc.

God yes they’re awful. The whole lot of them. 😢 @Chersfrozenface

Halve violence against women and girls
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/23/keir-starmer-promises-to-halve-violence-against-women-as-part-of-labour-crime-mission.

Considering focusing on better education of boys to support that https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/24/labour-considers-plan-to-educate-boys-to-curb-violence-against-women

Target repeat DV and sex offenders

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/labour-announce-new-perpetrator-programme-to-target-1000-most-dangerous-abusers-and-sex-offenders-who-pose-a-risk-to-women/

Increase affordable childcare focusing on places where there is low availability

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/28/labour-plans-thousands-nursery-places-english-primary-schools

For any policy the first question should be how will you fund it?

Labour have no answers there