Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

[ResisterRex]

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Yeah. She's not a proper feminist, is she? Just another woman, who doesn't understand feminist issues selling us out to Labour because it makes her feel worthy......

Or.....

Bloody brilliant feminist exercising her democratic right and getting shit on here for "wrongthink", despite having done more for women than any of us

Did KIS ever say anything about Jess P adding males to her list?

Anyway, the Conservative party is "packed the rafters" with misogynistics and sex pests, yet people on here still think they are a good voting choice if you are a feminist.

Once again, where are all these 'people on here' saying the Tories are a good voting choice for feminists? All I can see is people saying 'well we can have bastards who might preserve some vestige of women's rights and safeguarding, or bastards who won't.What a shit choice'. Why are you so intent on believing that posters just want to vote Tory? It's contrary to the evidence.

Because of the numbers of posters saying they will because "they are the only party protecting women's rights" despite the fact women are demonstrably in a worse position after 14 years of the Tories

It makes no sense. Turkeys voting for Christmas as the farmer promised he'd throw them some nice corn.

Who was the Labour MP who went on about ‘block all terfs’

I’d wager they’re on board with gender ideology

And Lammy and his hatred of women / rights hoarding dinosaurs

Where are those screen shots of the Labour lot, such as the one graced by Starmer’s face in pp

I wrote to all pro women in the WM debate

Majority Cons pro women, majority Labour gender or TWAW

Labour very thin on the ground, only two

It's a standard tactic to try to discredit those of us saying we're politically homeless / in a really shit position. 'Ooh, you're just a shy Tory, just admit it,' is the usual response. It's boring as a tactic, frankly.

This one?

Who was the Labour MP who went on about ‘block all terfs’

Kate Osborne, I think. Which is concerning as she's on the Women and Equalities Committee.

How does that work then? It says "to or from" trans. Therapists and parents can equally be convicted for child says I'm trans, BANG they are transitioned

no I dont think thats right at all, it would be more like

child says they are trans, parents/ therapist says ‘are you sure’ = conversion therapy

child says they are trans, parents/therapist says ‘fine’ = no conversion therapy

child says they are unhappy with their life, depressed, questioning their sexuality, might be gay, parents/therapist says ‘you may be trans ‘ = conversion therapy

What are Labour going to do for all the women in a demonstrably worse position after 14 years of the Tories? What have they said they'll do? You seem to be assuming that Labour will improve things so it's worth risking women's rights to have those improvements, but what are you basing that on? They're offering nothing, just more of what we've got now, with added misogyny.

And again, it's no posters here's fault that Labour would rather pander to the TQ+ than capitalise on the concerns of women. It'd be quite easy for them to do, and yet they don't, why is that?

Why don't you get that you are the turkey voting for Xmas, by trusting Labour? As PP astutely said, Labour are coasting on brand recognition. To stretch your analogy, you think women who disagree with you are being seduced by 'the farmer promising he'd throw them some nice corn'; well Labour are promising to take the little bit of corn I've got, and give it to foxes wearing turkey outfits. This should be an open goal for Labour, and it is Labour who are choosing not to take it.

It's not quite like turkeys voting for Christmas because of some nice corn, more like Christmas is coming your heads ARE coming off would like a nice final meal before it happens

Thanks for the link @WaterHound - I knew she was back in the Labour Party but I hadn't seen that. I lost track of how many times she had to re-apply - was it 5?

That article says a lot of things I'd have probably said myself not that long ago. The difference is that I've come round to believing this is a battle we're never going to win with Labour. I don't think this is a blip - I think the attitude to women is baked in.

The fact that KIS talks about women and some men 'working behind the scenes' - but doesn't name any, says it all for me. We all know why they have to stay invisible.

Every BIG BUSINESS CONFERENCE needs a squad of graphic facilitators and poets.

And inflatable dinosaur stations adjacent to the defibrillators.

I've come round to believing this is a battle we're never going to win with Labour. I don't think this is a blip - I think the attitude to women is baked in.

Agree. I don't think they have the capacity to understand the issue. It's bloody weird. It's like they have a blind spot when it comes to women that they are just not capable of seeing past.

Agreed. The ongoing misogyny over decades when unions, councils (Labour run ones as well), everyone was lined up to deny these women justice, equality, equal pay, or even respect. It's baked in.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4998283-dying-without-ever-getting-their-historic-equal-pay

I guess the fact they've never had a woman leader probably should tell us something.

Oh god. I hadn't actually watched the vid until now. What is with the BIG STAREY EYES AND <QUICK FAKE BARING OF TEETH IN APPROXIMATION OF 'SMILE'>?

This man seems on the verge of ... something.

I remember going to rallies in the 80s and Labour party members proudly wearing badges saying, 'Ditch the bitch' and 'Britain's first women Prime Minister - and the last.'

I wish I'd walked away there and then.

I think there are many who still feel the same.

He's been told that effective communication involves making eye contact (and on video that means imagining the camera is a person) and smiling.

An insight into his usual in-person communication style might be interesting for comparison.

Yes I think there are.

Like I said, it really got to me to me how in that article, KIS doesn't dare name the people she's working with in the party. That is not a healthy place to be.

The fact that she can't name them means that I have no confidence these unnamed people will be true to whatever words they're giving KIS.

We're certainly not seeing any actions, are we?

Not sure I'd agree she has to name people. But even an approximation as to how many MPs are not buying the nonsense (as Conservatives for Women have provided) would give us some sense of the depth of conversations and the feeling in PLP. Whether that's for KIS or LWD though - probably for the latter.

I agree she shouldn't be obliged to name them - it's the reason why she doesn't that I find quite upsetting. And it's nothing to do with trustworthyness.

Holy fuck! Genuinely shocked.