Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

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Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Labour will win the next GE regardless. Just reading other boards on here gives a very clear indication of voting intentions.
I suspect they will - but MN is a self-selected subset of the country. You'd have thought from MN that Brexit would have been soundly defeated, never to rise again, and look what happened there

That is exactly what Labour are doing which is why their position is so incoherent and why they won't provide details and definitions

domineastronomy · Today 08:28

Erm, really? Diva is not exactly the mainstream press.

Yes, fair comment. I had the excerpt I C&Pd from the Telegraph link in mind.

I'll start reconsidering when I see a verifiable non-faked photo of Streeting and Starmer having a cuppa and a biscuit with Rosie Duffield and Tonia Antoniazzi in a crowded Commons tea room.

Don't hold your breath.

I'd really like Starmer to answer how - if this law is in place - he's going to stop the UK becoming like Iran where 'transing away the gay' is very strongly encouraged if not mandated.

I agree. It also has to be remembered that, until recently, “be kind” was the dominant thought. Going heavy on the trans rights seemed the right thing to do, particularly for a party branded “The Nasty Party”.

I'm waiting to see what their manifesto says. Hopefully these rhetorical policy ideas will be watered down or removed by then.

As for the Tories, they've done nothing positive on this issue. And nearly brought self-id in themselves.

I'm probably not going to bother voting next time though. What's the point?

I'm waiting for the manifesto before I decide too, but I'm not fooling myself that they're going to suddenly start spelling everything out. The lack of clarity isn't an accident.

Hopefully these rhetorical policy ideas will be watered down or removed by then.

Even if they have, how can we trust what Starmer may or may not do when /if he’s got his hands round the levers of power?

I’m going with direction of travel and hardly any western democracies are moving against this

Kemi Badenoch is one of the few who get it and is motivated to act on it

Sadly Labour may get in anyway and there’s no one with that level of challenge (anyone who tries is treated v badly), but it does have a whole lot of TRA advocates or women are rights hoarding dinosaur types instead

We’ll end up like the other countries, although our media is slightly better tf

There’s always a point to voting.

Low turnouts and apathy in elections for all sorts of positions are what allow fringe groups to flex so much unwarranted power.

At least if you cast a vote against them (for the Monster Raving Loonies if needs be), they can’t claim they had an overwhelming mandate to push through this dangerous agenda.

Just a reminder for this thread that the laws that were enacted that have enabled men to be in women's prisons etc were enacted under the last Labour Government. Some people either don't realise that or seek to ignore it.

I would have thought, that in the light of the harmful consequences to women (which may have been initially unintended), the Labour Party would be seeking to make amendments to both Acts to ensure that no further women are harmed, wouldn't you?

Instead, they are seemingly planning on making the process of obtaining the GRC easier as well as making transition easier despite the CASS review.

Why am I supposed to believe Labour gives a shit about women & children in the light of the above? They've literally seen the consequences to women and children an DGAF, instead they are looking to appease the LGBTQIA community (without giving much thought to the LGB aspect). No thank you Mr Starmer.

Just a reminder for this thread that the laws that were enacted that have enabled men to be in women's prisons etc were enacted under the last Labour Government.

Not only are Labour responsible for these laws, they're proud of it. Anneliese Dodds has said. ' Taken together, they are one of Labour’s crowning achievements, not just of the last period of government, of any period.'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

Of course

How depressing for women

@AdamRyan Kemi believes in reality, Keir believes a woman can have a penis. Kemi listens to all women, Kier wont even meet some women in his party. Simple enough for you?

Of course @lifeturnsonadimebut Labour was last in power in 2010 so the Tories have had plenty of time to address things if they had wanted to. I just don’t think they can blame where we are now fully on the last Labour government. I agree with you on what may happen under Labour and it makes me despair.

Have you noticed what is going on in other countries and that it’s only recently the public are more aware and annoyed by this?

@EasternStandard yes

I didn't say that the Tories were blameless but Kemi Badenoch is coming up with solutions to this that favour women and children, unlike the Labour Party.

Just a reminder for this thread that the laws that were enacted that have enabled men to be in women's prisons etc were enacted under the last Labour Government. Some people either don't realise that or seek to ignore it.

Of course they ignore it. How else could they hold the line of “Tories are evil fascists and will kill us all and Labour are the shining light of righteousness”?

This stuff irks me no end and politically motivates me

But even I only really got on board a couple of years ago via mn

Politicians, everyone, were more in go ahead mode before that. It’s recently that people have started to notice, Isla Bryson is a good example. Some on FWR obviously clued up, it’s how I read about it

And then you need a committed politician like Badenoch at the top in a party to get going. Not buried under investigations etc

And even then the institution capture is so extreme the challenges are immense, the law enables that

Labour obviously are fully signed up to gender so vote for that but don’t be surprised when women feel it

She is, as are many others in the Conservative Party. And I support them. They clearly understand better than Labour the growing public awareness and they have votes in it. I’m just so disappointed in Labour.

Anneliese Dodds is an idiot, and the only way of 'updating' the GRA satisfactorily is to bin it. And Labour won't be doing that. But neither will the Tories, I think. Starmer is totally "These are my principles, and if you don't like them, I have others".

In 2016 in response to enormous amounts of lobbying from gender organisations the Government opened a public consultation on reform.

The outcome of this consultation was a massive pushback with MPs starting to listen to the reality of the impact the GRA had.

It's mostly Conservative MPs listening isn't it?

Left wing employers like the NHS, Civil Service, Education, Social Work and NGOs have gone far beyond the law in adopting some dreadful practices. The attitude from leadership in these left wing monopoly heirachies is that any conservative person or position is automatically the enemy and therefore wrong.

Blame, if you want to discuss it, should be attached to left wing leaders like those at the OU, at SW England, in the NHS and so on. It's a very long list.