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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another GC employment tribunal. Adam's vs Edinburgh Rape Crsis

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Rainbowshit · 15/01/2024 10:04

x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1746830866020442400?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

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Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 20:06

That does explain a lot.

Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 20:09

@RedToothBrush a NB person not wishing to be defined by their sex is just that a wish.

I hope we get to a sensible legal position where sex and gender are two entirely separate things. Sex is M or F and everyone is one or the other.

Winnading · 18/01/2024 20:12

Sisterpita · 18/01/2024 12:36

At work if you disclosed to your manager/HR you were GC that is sensitive personal data because it is a philosophical belief.

They may need to disclose it for business reasons to specific people (can’t think of any at the moment) but it would be a breach if they told your colleagues and other staff particularly as gossip. You could raise a grievance under your employers privacy policy for unlawfully processing sensitive personal data.

So mandatory pronouns in say your email signature is in fact sensitive personal data and should not be added?

Datun · 18/01/2024 20:24

So mandatory pronouns in say your email signature is in fact sensitive personal data and should not be added?

And presumably, one can't even suggest it. Why would you suggest people reveal sensitive data?

It's utterly unhinged, isn't it 🤣

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/01/2024 20:30

And we'd have to hope that not too many people decide to be non-binary

"Non binary" identity would die a death in weeks if too many of the wrong sort of people decided to self identify as such.

Karensalright · 18/01/2024 22:25

Just thought of this (i know i know.. need to get a life)

employers are legally obliged to check that a person has the right to work in the UK, they have to retain a copy of passport/birth certificate.

So someone in a senior position involved in the appointment of the CEO at ERC. Would have known that she was a he.

So the CEO stating on twitter that he was never asked is subterfuge.

ArabellaScott · 18/01/2024 22:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/01/2024 20:30

And we'd have to hope that not too many people decide to be non-binary

"Non binary" identity would die a death in weeks if too many of the wrong sort of people decided to self identify as such.

I'm doing my best!

Rainbowshit · 18/01/2024 22:58

I wonder if Sandy Brindley and Maggie Chapman and any other woman who had any hand in bringing Mridul on board is feeling any kind of regret or discomfort at the appointment yet or if they ever will?

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HoneyButterPopcorn · 18/01/2024 23:17

No they didn’t and won’t. They are no friend to women.

Cailleach1 · 18/01/2024 23:30

If disclosing someone’s sex is a privacy issue, it’s not far off a breach of privacy to disclose someone as being a human being. After all, one could identify as a donkey/ extra-terrestrial and also be covered by belief. Indeed, how is a mere mortal supposed to know the differences without a medical degree and a forensic laboratory?

It is quite depressing that an organisation set up to tend to the needs of traumatised women seems to have been repurposed as a validation hub for the contentious belief of gender ideologues instead. The funding didn’t go (as it was supposed to) to help the woman who thankfully found help elsewhere. The purpose of that organisation is not as intended if women have to self exclude. That means women don’t find help, or very limited numbers can find solace in places like BP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/01/2024 23:56

It is quite depressing that an organisation set up to tend to the needs of traumatised women seems to have been repurposed as a validation hub for the contentious belief of gender ideologues instead.

Depressingly predictable.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 00:10

Cailleach1 · 18/01/2024 23:30

If disclosing someone’s sex is a privacy issue, it’s not far off a breach of privacy to disclose someone as being a human being. After all, one could identify as a donkey/ extra-terrestrial and also be covered by belief. Indeed, how is a mere mortal supposed to know the differences without a medical degree and a forensic laboratory?

It is quite depressing that an organisation set up to tend to the needs of traumatised women seems to have been repurposed as a validation hub for the contentious belief of gender ideologues instead. The funding didn’t go (as it was supposed to) to help the woman who thankfully found help elsewhere. The purpose of that organisation is not as intended if women have to self exclude. That means women don’t find help, or very limited numbers can find solace in places like BP.

It's spelt

'Trojan Horse'

BetsyM00 · 19/01/2024 00:50

That event at the bookshop. What does "inclusion is beautiful but including is ugly" even mean?

I believe it means doing the including work in an organisation - changing views, ethos, including trans people - is hard work and so is ugly. But the end result of a diverse, progressive, inclusive org is beautiful.

And yes, I have listened to too many Mridul interviews and podcasts!

Brefugee · 19/01/2024 06:47

thank you, that makes more sense. But still not much sense at all.

Winnading · 19/01/2024 06:48

And yes, I have listened to too many Mridul interviews and podcasts

thoughts and prayers.

Sisterpita · 19/01/2024 07:40

Karensalright · 18/01/2024 22:25

Just thought of this (i know i know.. need to get a life)

employers are legally obliged to check that a person has the right to work in the UK, they have to retain a copy of passport/birth certificate.

So someone in a senior position involved in the appointment of the CEO at ERC. Would have known that she was a he.

So the CEO stating on twitter that he was never asked is subterfuge.

Sadly people have been able to self declare their sex on their passport and driving licence by getting a letter from their GP - no need for a GRC.https://www.gov.uk/changing-passport-information/gender

So the check for the right to work in the uk potentially confirmed the self id sex.

Change your name or personal details on your passport

To change your name or other personal details on your passport, send the standard passport application form with evidence about the change

https://www.gov.uk/changing-passport-information/gender

Signalbox · 19/01/2024 07:45

BetsyM00 · 19/01/2024 00:50

That event at the bookshop. What does "inclusion is beautiful but including is ugly" even mean?

I believe it means doing the including work in an organisation - changing views, ethos, including trans people - is hard work and so is ugly. But the end result of a diverse, progressive, inclusive org is beautiful.

And yes, I have listened to too many Mridul interviews and podcasts!

Sounds like an argument for communism.

nauticant · 19/01/2024 07:56

It sounds like a wordy version of "the end justifies the means".

pronounsbundlebundle · 19/01/2024 08:07

Cailleach1 · 18/01/2024 23:30

If disclosing someone’s sex is a privacy issue, it’s not far off a breach of privacy to disclose someone as being a human being. After all, one could identify as a donkey/ extra-terrestrial and also be covered by belief. Indeed, how is a mere mortal supposed to know the differences without a medical degree and a forensic laboratory?

It is quite depressing that an organisation set up to tend to the needs of traumatised women seems to have been repurposed as a validation hub for the contentious belief of gender ideologues instead. The funding didn’t go (as it was supposed to) to help the woman who thankfully found help elsewhere. The purpose of that organisation is not as intended if women have to self exclude. That means women don’t find help, or very limited numbers can find solace in places like BP.

Good point.

If GDPR is used to say we can't freely talk about things that are immediately obvious, working will become impossible.

I don't believe it was intended for this but it's being used, like the EA 2010 (thinking of the shield not a sword comment) as a way to bully people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 08:19

Sadly people have been able to self declare their sex on their passport and driving licence by getting a letter from their GP

They don't even always need a GP letter. They can "sign a declaration" which is basically self ID. I was shocked to find this out the other day.

Sisterpita · 19/01/2024 08:28

@Winnading So mandatory pronouns in say your email signature is in fact sensitive personal data and should not be added?

One of the arguments often used against mandatory pronouns is that they can out someone before they are ready.

pronounsbundlebundle · 19/01/2024 08:30

Well if GDPR is used in the way that ERCC seem to be trying to use it at least it should be a death to preferred pronouns in the workplace. Sorry, no, to compel me to use really difficult, non-standard English and to treat pronouns like names taking up a huge mental load is a breach of GDPR, can't do it.

I don't think they've thought this through.

pronounsbundlebundle · 19/01/2024 08:31

Sex-based pronouns for all is the only GDPR compliant option!

Justabaker · 19/01/2024 08:44

Who's looking at another day of low productivity?

RoyalCorgi · 19/01/2024 08:52

So mandatory pronouns in say your email signature is in fact sensitive personal data and should not be added?

Exactly. Can they really be so stupid as to not see the contradiction here?* If revealing an employee's sex to another person is regarded as a breach of privacy, then you cannot mandate that people identify their sex in their email signature.

  • Obviously, yes. They really are that stupid.
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