Evidence re GC women and white supremacism please?

[Froodwithatowel]

I'll quote JCJ here as I do not want to derail the other thread:

From my, and many other people's observation, over the last couple of years, the UK GC space, especially on twitter, has progressively merged with both the US MAGA/Christian nationalist space, and those of UK white nationalists.

It is not easy to make sense of that X thread, but this statement is one I want information on. I don't do parroting, I believe in critical thinking, evidence and independence of thought, and I have learned to be deeply cautious of being accidentally vaccuumed into the 'so and so smells so do what I tell you' strategies so very tediously rife at the moment to get people in line and useful to others, we live in very grotty times.

So please would some kind person provide me with evidence that women wanting rights, equality and single sex spaces are entangled with religious extremism and white nationalism? Actual evidence. Not aspersions, but evidence.

I'll pull up a comfy chair and wait with you for this evidence.

Evidence doesn’t exist.

Not again!

This comes under the heading of 'If we say it often enough and loudly enough people will start believing it's true without the need for that pesky evidence.'

And when you ask for that evidence you're told to 'educate yourself.' Which has always struck me as pretty stupid because what if I do and find out that you're talking - as the splendid phrase I saw on another thread goes - a metric tonne of weapons grade horseshit?

What then, eh?

There was a recent thread on the black mumsnetters forum about black women's discomfort on drag being compared to blackface.

A lot of the responses from GC women to that were indeed racist.
One poster went as far as to call black women liars for saying they experienced racism in some feminist circles.

There are also multiple instances on this forum of GC women praising racists who "know what a woman is".

I find it very hard to understand JCJ's writings most of the time. I surely can't be the only one.

I have wine! I am looking forward to sharing a glass with those who are also keen to see the evidence.

I suspect though that Hepwo is correct and it will be same old, same old. Just with a new hat this time.

Isn’t the word ‘supremacy’?

@DifferentUserName12 Yes i remember a thread where someone posted about the Scottish family party but GC women just mentioned how they know what a women is. Not the fact its a racist very Christian party who actually hate women

Can we wait till dry Jan's over, plz? 😅

There are also multiple instances on this forum of GC women praising racists who "know what a woman is"

Go on then. One instance.

Can you pop over and get all this evidence and bring it to the thread then?

Well maybe provide evidence that its not.

First of all basing any thing about real life on what happens on twitter is pointless. Its not real. Its about as relevant as listening to a crowd of drunks in a pub (or whether) thinking they are having a profound conversation.

And as said up thread not just social media but MSM is so lazy that they cant be bothered to work out that what appears to be the same conclusion has been reached by the same path / political analysis.

Added to which the really needy left male incels have now been able to find a way to attack women / women's rights as being "reactionary" and be praised for it.

So women saying they want women only sport, safe spaces etc., are doing that from a basis that women as a sex class are oppressed by men. Right wing or evangelical groups are doing it from a basis of sexist stereotypes.

But both end up by saying you cant change sex.

Its like trying to say supporting abortion is right wing because it is basically eugenics, rather that a woman's right to control her body.

So the fact that both feminists and some right wing tradionists groups both are against schools promoting an affirmative approach to gender identity, doesn't mean that the groups / groupings are the same.

I think it is - yet again - a case of assuming that because Person X agrees with Person Y on one thing such as “no-one can change sex”, Person X is seen as agreeing with everything Person Y says and believes.

Furthermore, everyone who is seen as allied with Person X (e.g. all feminists, if Person X is one) also agree with and endorse the views of Person Y. So if Person X is a gender critical feminist and Person Y is a hard-right conservative extremist, but they both happen to believe that no-one changes sex then the thinking goes that all gender critical feminists are hard-right conservative extremists.

With beautiful irony, it comes down to seeing everything as a binary: everyone is either entirely good or entirely bad. One mis-step in your beliefs (or even the perception of such) and you’re in the wrong circle on the Venn diagram of virtue.

I'm still waiting my funding from the US far right to come through. We spent years being told that was who was funding GC women and I have yet to be offered a single dollar.

re sharing / supporting quotes from right wing (not sure about racist) people is one there are many threads about on here.

Many posters are constantly saying how depressing it is that we have had to rely on the Tories to speak up for women's sex based rights.

But always remember that is because of the silence of liberals and the left.

So it isn't about the overlap between GC and RW.

The biggest most fundamental problem for women's sex based rights is the total lack of support and outright mysogyny from the left.

That is the real focus / over view.

One of the reasons TRAs have been so sucessful is that it has legitimised all the MRAs.

I'm reminded of Aja reporting to the police (with screen shots) the extremely nasty racist abuse she received from trans activists. 'Monkey' was a word used. Not discussion or implication, flat out racist abuse.

Should we decide from this that transactivism is connected with white supremacism?

Are you able to link to this thread? That would be helpful.

Ah, I hadn't RTFT. Thank you.

I don't need to be told not to 'pop over' to the board, thanks.

We're all still waiting for cheques, T shirts, and, iirc, lesbian wives.

Can you screenshot the things you are actually referring to?

I don't go anywhere near the Black Mumsnetters board, it's not for me.

Gawd, not this AGAIN.
She spent all the extreme right money on HAIR products, I tell you, HAIR products!!!!

Well, I'm reading that thread on the Black Mumsnetter's board, and all I can see is a lot of discussion, varying viewpoints and quite a bit of disagreement. It's not clear to me who is white or black, because anonymous internet forum innit, but it seems posters of various ethnicities have varying views. I've not seen any posts supporting white supremacism. Am I missing them?