"Transphobic bullying is rife": 15 y/o trans boy's view of coming out at school

[ButterflyHatched]

A rare and refreshing example of the mainstream media actually publishing a young trans person's own words on the subject of their own existence and how the government's draft guidance is likely to affect the people it directly pertains to.

‘Transphobic bullying is rife’: a 15-year-old trans boy’s view of coming out at school | Transgender | The Guardian

It's force teaming to steal the only word women actually have to describe themselves and use it to describe your completely unrelated personal identity, so that if women don't want to be included in your identity they have to stop calling themselves women.

HTH.

Because then @ButterflyHatched would have to admit to force teaming women without their consent.

Which is not something a person who actually "gets" womanhood would do.

No, Butters, you’ve been repeatedly asked a series of questions about how gender id works for everyone in a practical sense and you’ve ignored them all because you don’t care about any impact on anyone else.

I think I'm allowed to ask a fellow poster why she has been so consistently hostile and how that hostility affects her family?

Has it ever occurred to you that you're asking the wrong questions?

The question you should be asking, because you seem to be entirely unaware of its importance, is about how someone transitioning affects their whole family.

You're so wrapped up in 'me, me, me' that you've forgotten other people exist too.

I've just been under nearly 40 pages of inquisition over whether it's possible for a young transitioner with a genetic condition to experience misogyny and indeed whether it is possible for her to even exist at all.

Well, that's an interesting way to describe being asked, over and over again why you think that transg should be able to exclude girls from school changing rooms etc.

Without ever providing an answer!

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They don't want to exclude girls from the changing rooms. They want girls to be forced to be in there with them.

A girls changing room with no actual girls in it is just an empty room, after all.

And this thread wasn’t even about the person who posted it, but that’s all they’ve posted about.

Almost as if it was just another woman or girl used for validation.

Because Margot isn't asking a question. Margot is rejecting the lived experience of an entire minority group from base principles, rejecting the measures they have managed to convince policymakers to scrape into place after decades of campaigning work, and then demanding they come up with a new solution that exiles them from public life.

The solution to transphobic bullying at school isn't to remove trans people. It's to remove transphobia.

What about domination and bullying by transg in schools, where they bully and upset girls, by forcing them into girls' spaces, often with the assistance of teachers?

I don't see how asking Red about why she fell out with her trans sister 18 years ago

Why do you use sister when the pp clearly says brother?

Did you mean sibling?

Agree. It would be useful to have a thread which discusses that, the wider social/online context, and also the decades of campaigning which the Beaumont Society put in before the early 90s to get MPs to believe that there were vulnerable people with a medical condition needing protection, rather than men (like Grayson Perry) with a socially unacceptable hobby which they wanted to being into the public domain. A thread focused on the impact on girls and women.

I have asked you a very clear question and repeated it about four times now.

You have ignored me every time.

You are also rejecting the lived experience of half the human population, who actually know what it is like to be female, and the vast majority of whom don't see what your personal identity has got to do with them, or why it overrides their right to define themselves in a way that does not revolve around you.

I will repeat my question again below.

Reposting my question, for the fourth or fifth time, so @ButterflyHatched can answer it.

Why can we not have separate words, spaces and sports for female people, and people who identify as whatever the hell it is you are identifying as?

Margot is rejecting the lived experience of an entire minority group from base principles, rejecting the measures they have managed to convince policymakers to scrape into place after decades of campaigning work, and then demanding they come up with a new solution that exiles them from public life.

What hyperbole. Using the same sex toilets rather than the opposite sex toilets is not “being exiled from public life”.

The question about what happens to women who can’t use mixed sex facilities never gets answered.

rejecting the lived experience of an entire minority

Yet you are rejecting the lived experience of women you are posting in answer to

And generally.

Why is that?

Lived experience? We all have experiences and they aren’t all good/sane.

How does that answer even my question 😳

margot asked ‘what word can we use?’

you could have just said that you can’t answer it…would have been a lot quicker

you want all the words!!!!

I mean you don’t give a shit about the word man

but you want the word woman and transwoman and female and you don’t want 51% of the population to have a word for themselves

In this thread we've tried to talk about the Cass Review about why that's relevant to women and girls.
We've tried to talk about how medicalisation is particularly bad for women and girls.
We've tried to talk about our own experiences growing up as women and girls and how social media and various cultural things made us want to be male.
We've tried to talk about our experiences of interacting with trans kids and how the cult like nature of the movement rejects families not families rejecting them.
We've tried to talk about how our experiences as women and girls haven't been so much as documented nor studied. Instead males have imposed their understanding of the world on us and told us we are doing it all wrong and we should budge up and accept what they are telling us.

Throughout this thread, butterfly has made it all about them and then as this thread comes to a close and we try and take it back to the life experiences of women and girls does exactly the above and tries to impose their understanding of the world onto us and impose this narrative on us once more and try and close the door of alternative explanations and lived experiences because they don't like it.

Well who'd think that would happen.

I'm minded to think of the meme with the door opening and the word 'Lo!'. You know the one.

Women and girls can't have anything of their own. Not even their own thoughts and opinions or lived experiences. Even they must be commandeered and explained to us.

The answer is still no.

And thank you for the demonstration.

The question about what happens to women who can’t use mixed sex facilities never gets answered.

Nope. This group even contains minorities but obviously these minorities don't matter.

Because @ButterflyHatched doesn't give a crap about OUR lived experience.

Only the lived experience of trans people is important.

The subject of the erasure of female experience is interesting. It's something that historically goes back a long way...

I don't see how asking Red about why she fell out with her trans sister 18 years ago and whether they have been able to repair their relationship since is goading

Ah, so you're not at all oblivious. It was completely deliberate, in fact. Calculated even.

So unpleasant.

Remarkable isn’t it?

The solution to transphobic bullying at school isn't to remove trans people. It's to remove transphobia.

We can get rid of transphobia and re establish sex class boundaries

Males accept their sex class is broader and includes all kind of presentation

Children can be gender non conforming and not be indoctrinated by TRA ideology and not need lies but clear sex class boundaries and safeguarding

It’s entirely within society’s ability to strive for this rather than what we have been since the GRA