"Transphobic bullying is rife": 15 y/o trans boy's view of coming out at school

[ButterflyHatched]

A rare and refreshing example of the mainstream media actually publishing a young trans person's own words on the subject of their own existence and how the government's draft guidance is likely to affect the people it directly pertains to.

‘Transphobic bullying is rife’: a 15-year-old trans boy’s view of coming out at school | Transgender | The Guardian

While also making sure that the maximum number of vulnerable young women get sucked into believing that they're "trans" and having mastectomies and taking testosterone. Helps with the validation for the middle-aged "transwomen" and their ladydicks. Because those teen girls and young women must obviously be experiencing the same thing as those middle-aged males did when they were younger (before they fathered children and then developed a taste for wearing their wives' knickers).

These people really hate women, don't they?

Not sure why I should get special treatment just because I'm clinically sad about the gender incongruence I experience and others aren't.

Because you shouldn't get special treatment, just like no man should.

I'm visibly physically female

Doesn't matter if you have boobs or whatever. Many men do. The ship that you could get 'special treatment' from women has long sailed. Compromise, middle ground, all gone. Women have realised if we give you 'special treatment', other men will demand the same and we are left with nothing.

In what ways do you have similar needs to a young woman who hates being objectified by men or who is being bullied for being a lesbian?

I think this one could be answered on the back of a postage stamp.

It's such bollocks, isn't it.

It's the whole I pass seamlessly, but have had to keep myself hidden for 20 years, and spend more time with doctors than anyone else.

And there's absolutely zero criteria for being trans, despite the fact that it requires free surgery and hormones, extra civil rights and access to opposite sex spaces.

It's a men's sexual rights movement. And every every time you give a TRA a chance, they tell you.

I'm visibly physically female

You are either female or you are not.

Sticking a fake pair of tits on doesn't make you female.

TV make up artists can do great illusions but it still doesn't make a male actor female.

Visibly physically female is a load of rot, and if you actually believe this, you really do disrespect women. Because you clearly regard women as nothing more than an aesthetic.

You are either female or you are not.

Quite. Women, all the women on here, know exactly what it's like to be female. And it's not something that a man can ever, ever experience.

it's simply unattainable.

I was going to suggest moving the goalposts so the TRAs always win.

No one can dispute that I am a woman.. Everyone can dispute that Butterfly is a woman.

Two transexuals tried to start a campaign/petition for a '3rd space' eg toilets/changing rooms, for trans people to feel 'safe' in. The trans activists didn't want it, they wanted to use women's spaces. They targeted the 2 trans people & were, of course, utterly foul to them. Majority of trans activists dont want to feel safe-(after all they are blokes mostly that threaten women & other people who care about women & children) majority of them want to insert themselves into our spaces & take them over & shut us up.

PS. Reading 'Tough Crowd' by Graham Linehan. Brilliant writer . So sad how he was treated for trying to defend women & kids rights. I am so sick of the bullying of people who merely tell the truth.

As this thread is now showcasing the personal demands of the OP, I thought it might be useful to join a few dots with what's happening to children (the focus of the new DfE guidelines) who hopefully will be better protected in the future. Especially if the adults determined to transition them for their own interests are removed from influencing schools and hopefully everywhere else children gather:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4971050-more-than-70-children-aged-three-and-four-were-sent-to-tavistock-transgender-clinic

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4971617-julie-bindel-this-gender-ideology-is-nothing-less-than-a-crime-against-a-generation

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4964649-social-workers-teaching-trans-ideology-as-fact-to-vulnerable-children

On a board where women centre safeguarding children I reckon we should always highlight the consequences of allowing adults with personal niche interests to influence policy to the detriment of children.

And one thing it is NOT showcasing is why any of this is a good idea.

I remain unconvinced.

You have not convinced anyone.

You have no argument.

So thanks for tantrumming up a massive mess schools and kids will have to deal with for years.

But your "updated terminology" not only seeks to increase the amount of people that fit under the term but once again changes what it actually means to be trans.

We are still getting over the harm done by decades of 'transition is the worst possible outcome short of death and must be avoided at all costs especially if it leads to a person who Looks Queer' as a policy.

but it hasn't been anyone's policy.

That thread about why do TRas want kids to be scared should be linked in to this one.

Well you shouldn't.

But that doesn't mean the others shouldn't be getting special treatment.

It means none of you should be getting special treatment, no matter how sad it makes you, because you aren't more important than everyone else.

You mean this one? Yes - that's very revealing about how transactivists view children and young people:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4970967-why-are-tras-telling-children-that-people-hate-them

So I take it that you didn't actually read anything said in the last god-knows how many pages worth of responses by the trans woman who hasn't had a dick for a decade and a half, transitioned as a child with no prompting from adults, has been infertile all her life, has never experienced adult life as a man and has directly told you her motivation for wanting to help young people experiencing gender incongruence, then?

I am the opposite of every 'point' you have tried to make in this tired cheap shot at older trans women who grew up under a social paradigm that made it extremely difficult to gain access to treatment, yet here we are. The same ancient stereotypes. The same lies.

I've dealt with this my entire life. It was already unspeakably tedious when I was a child and it has aged like milk. It's just seething contempt and wilful ignorance all the way down, isn't it?

I would desperately love for anyone who thinks a 3rd space would be anything other than a godawful abuse magnet in this political climate to engage in even a modicum of critical thought and consider how outright dangerous that road is.

So use women as human shields instead?

You really can’t hear yourself, can you?

Have you tried considering things from any point of view other than "what trans people want"?

Because what trans people want is not actually most people's highest priority.

If you don't want to use either men's toilets or hypothetical third spaces then why should this be women's problem to solve?

Wheest Margot surely WTWW is all that matters? Silly lady brain you....

Yeah but its just FINE to open up women's spaces to be a godawful abuse magnet in ANY political climate for the entire history of the world which anyone with a modicum of critical thought and ability to understand what safeguarding is...

Its fascinating to see and hear JUST how tone deaf and JUST how how little transactivists think of women, whilst simulataneously claiming to be women.

If you were a woman, you wouldn't want men in women's spaces cos safeguarding. You'd understand why it wasn't ok.

EVERY SINGLE TIME its putting males before women and the Me, Me, Me factor to the total detriment of all women and child.

Its not disingenuous. Its simply dishonest.

I can't speak directly for people who aren't dysphoric - it has pretty much defined my life since I was old enough to think! We clearly have similar needs though.

@ButterflyHatched You are right. You cannot speak for people who are not dysphoric. You cannot speak for girls who feel that they might be boys. You cannot speak for boys who do not have PAIS. You can only speak for you. Try doing that.