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More than 70 children aged three and four were sent to Tavistock transgender clinic

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fromorbit · 27/12/2023 11:51

Even worse than we thought according to the latest findings:

In total, 382 children aged six and under were referred to the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) run by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust in north London...
A spokesman for the Tavistock said: ‘The GIDS pathway provides psychological assessment, treatment, and support for families, so we are unable to provide figures on those who have undergone physical interventions.
“The outcome of gender identity development in younger pre-pubertal young people is uncertain and so “treatment” is not provided.
“Most often there would be a one-off discussion with the parents/carers to provide support and advice.”

Telegraph article:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/26/tavistock-transgender-clinic-children-aged-three-nhs/

Remember common practices in the Tavistock are probably still going on in Scotland and Wales.

More than 70 children aged three and four were sent to Tavistock transgender clinic

The clinic, which had no lower age limit on referrals, was shut down last year

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/26/tavistock-transgender-clinic-children-aged-three-nhs

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Lottapianos · 27/12/2023 11:54

I hope the one off conversation involved telling the parents to get a grip and stop filling their small child's head with shite

SidewaysOtter · 27/12/2023 12:03

How can a child as young as six have a concept of “gender identity” unless it’s been out there by an adult?

SingSongVerilyTheSky · 27/12/2023 12:06

Kids that young usually believe in Santa and the tooth fairy - how anyone can think they “know” their genderfeelz is beyond me.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 27/12/2023 12:07

That is truly appalling OP.

SchoolGlue · 27/12/2023 12:09

Jesus, plenty of children that age think they’re dogs, their parents would be considered abusive if they took it seriously.
What the duck is wrong with people!

MahShinyShoes · 27/12/2023 12:21

I'm choosing my words carefully.

I sincerely hope every single one of those parents had solely their infant child's wellbeing at heart, and there wasn't one single one who was secretly excited to have the attention this attracts & the ultimate ally accessory of a 'trans kid'.

The parents you see in the papers & all over the internet documenting their child's 'journey' make me have serious doubts that all of these cases involving very young kids are child centred.

That is all.

Leafstamp · 27/12/2023 12:28

As awful as this is, for me it also confirms that there is no age of child or adult that should be obtaining hormones and surgery in order to mimic the opposite sex paid for by the NHS.

MinnieCauldwell · 27/12/2023 12:37

MahShinyShoes · 27/12/2023 12:21

I'm choosing my words carefully.

I sincerely hope every single one of those parents had solely their infant child's wellbeing at heart, and there wasn't one single one who was secretly excited to have the attention this attracts & the ultimate ally accessory of a 'trans kid'.

The parents you see in the papers & all over the internet documenting their child's 'journey' make me have serious doubts that all of these cases involving very young kids are child centred.

That is all.

I agree, have exactly the same thoughts. There's a celebrity couple who spring to mind.

SidewaysOtter · 27/12/2023 12:39

I sincerely hope every single one of those parents had solely their infant child's wellbeing at heart, and there wasn't one single one who was secretly excited to have the attention this attracts & the ultimate ally accessory of a 'trans kid'.

I’d love to think this is the case but I very much doubt it. From the person I knew of who had a trans child, she very much revelled in her status as “special brave parent” and being something of an authority on all things trans/a totem for those who wanted to show how inclusive and progressive they were.

It was fucking tedious and I just felt immensely sorry for their child. How would the parent have reacted if the kid wanted to detransition? There could easily be a situation where someone feels trapped in a trans identity that they no longer want, because to detransition would be devastating for their parent who has, ironically, created an identity around that of their child.

IdealHomeExhibition · 27/12/2023 12:40

MahShinyShoes · 27/12/2023 12:21

I'm choosing my words carefully.

I sincerely hope every single one of those parents had solely their infant child's wellbeing at heart, and there wasn't one single one who was secretly excited to have the attention this attracts & the ultimate ally accessory of a 'trans kid'.

The parents you see in the papers & all over the internet documenting their child's 'journey' make me have serious doubts that all of these cases involving very young kids are child centred.

That is all.

Imagine how disappointed these kids parents would be if their child said they didn't want to be trans after all the fanfare and gender reveal parties and buying all the merchandise.

LondonLass91 · 27/12/2023 12:49

MahShinyShoes · 27/12/2023 12:21

I'm choosing my words carefully.

I sincerely hope every single one of those parents had solely their infant child's wellbeing at heart, and there wasn't one single one who was secretly excited to have the attention this attracts & the ultimate ally accessory of a 'trans kid'.

The parents you see in the papers & all over the internet documenting their child's 'journey' make me have serious doubts that all of these cases involving very young kids are child centred.

That is all.

Absolutely- a family member was recently delighted to announce her daughter is now non binary. You could see the excitment as she announced we should all call her daughter 'Star'. Luckily my family all told her to get to fuck.

Waitwhat23 · 27/12/2023 12:51

It's a vegan cat situation basically.

More than 70 children aged three and four were sent to Tavistock transgender clinic
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 27/12/2023 12:54

So much wrong with this.

WTF were the parents thing.

And WTF were the HCPs who made the referral thinking?

Sugarfree23 · 27/12/2023 13:01

Why is this even available on the NHS?
I mean really, its certainly not a physical health issue. If anything it's a mental health issue - like an anorexic thinking they are overweight - needs help not encouraged.

How does a referral like that get beyond the GP?
They are pre-school it's a phase, don't encourage it, encourage them that being a boy doesn't mean they can't like princess dresses or being a girl doesn't mean they can't like cars and trucks.

Thank God I'm a 70s child with an open minded Mum.

AnUnsuitableMatch · 27/12/2023 13:06

I can imagine situations where parents will complain if the HCP tries to voice their doubts without referring to a specialist.

Totally different situation but DH is an HCP and patients often think they need a certain course of treatment. Mostly when it's explained to them why X might not be suitable, it's accepted but complaints are threatened and sometimes managers defuse the complaint by ordering referrals despite being against medical advice.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/12/2023 13:08

Going back a few years, HCPs referring to GIDS would presumably have hoped that the gender specialists would do an in depth assessment of not just the child but also the family, and effectively provide family therapy in the hope that the parents would finally grasp that sex is immutable and that a little boy wanting long hair or to play with dolls, or a little girl hating dressing up and wanting to play football, are perfectly normal acceptable expressions of personality, nothing more, and it's the parents' job to accept this.

In recent years, unfortunately GIDS has largely been staffed by HCPs, some of them trans-identifying themselves, who don't believe in watchful waiting and instead go for unquestioning immediate affirmation of a child's gender identity, even when the child is barely able to speak, and/or where the child is clearly neurodivergent, severely anxious or depressed, or has been through significant trauma.

Scandalous.

WhatWouldAliciaDo · 27/12/2023 13:30

Child abuse, imo.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/12/2023 13:38

MahShinyShoes · 27/12/2023 12:21

I'm choosing my words carefully.

I sincerely hope every single one of those parents had solely their infant child's wellbeing at heart, and there wasn't one single one who was secretly excited to have the attention this attracts & the ultimate ally accessory of a 'trans kid'.

The parents you see in the papers & all over the internet documenting their child's 'journey' make me have serious doubts that all of these cases involving very young kids are child centred.

That is all.

It seems very odd that the condition of Munhausen Syndrome by Proxy or Fabricated Illness as it's now known appears to have passed the activists medics by at GIDS when they look at so many parents of 3 / 4 / 5 years olds claiming their little children are the opposite sex? Although MSP is a rare occurrence, yet again we see the lack of professional curiosity at GIDS and the repeated downplaying of safeguarding red flags.

Here's the first definition from google - others are available:

"Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSP) or Munchausen by proxy is a psychological disorder marked by attention-seeking behavior by a caregiver through those who are in their care.

MSP is a relatively rare behavioral disorder. It affects a primary caretaker, often the mother. The person with MSP gains attention by seeking medical help for exaggerated or made-up symptoms of a child in their care. As health care providers strive to identify what's causing the child's symptoms, the deliberate actions of the parent or caretaker can often make the symptoms worse.

The person with MSP does not seem to be motivated by a desire for any type of material gain. While health care providers are often unable to identify the specific cause of the child's illness, they may not suspect the parent or caretaker of doing anything to harm the child. In fact the caregiver often appears to be very loving and caring and extremely distraught over their child's illness.

People with MSP may create or exaggerate a child's symptoms in several ways. They may simply lie about symptoms, alter tests (such as contaminating a urine sample), falsify medical records, or they may actually induce symptoms through various means, such as poisoning, suffocating, starving, and causing infection........"

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-by-proxy

Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy

WebMD explains the symptoms and causes of Munchausen syndrome by proxy, where someone exaggerates a child's symptoms or even causes the child's illness.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-by-proxy

FlirtsWithRhinos · 27/12/2023 13:42

I’d love to think this is the case but I very much doubt it. From the person I knew of who had a trans child, she very much revelled in her status as “special brave parent” and being something of an authority on all things trans/a totem for those who wanted to show how inclusive and progressive they were.

Yes that's my experience as well. The kid is classical tween/pre teen suddenly identifies as a trans boy along with half the friendship group. The mum is lovely and genuine but very naive, woo and "closed minded in her openmindedness" if you see what I mean. Her first reaction was to look into how to get puberty blockers. Luckily the dad persuaded her to go for social affirmation only, and wait and see.

RedToothBrush · 27/12/2023 13:48

Anyone insisting their three year old is trans needs to be referred to PREVENT

Coyoacan · 27/12/2023 13:54

Imagine how disappointed these kids parents would be if their child said they didn't want to be trans after all the fanfare and gender reveal parties and buying all the merchandise

A couple of years ago, someone revealed posts in a group for the parents of "trans" children and in at least one of them, the mother was asking for advice because her child did not want to transition.

usernother · 27/12/2023 13:54

I saw this on X and one comment asked what parents were supposed to do if they had a non gender conforming child of that age. FFS.

RedToothBrush · 27/12/2023 14:05

usernother · 27/12/2023 13:54

I saw this on X and one comment asked what parents were supposed to do if they had a non gender conforming child of that age. FFS.

Use the other side of the Tesco's aisle and not be sexist?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 27/12/2023 14:12

Dear God. I never thought I would live at a time when child sacrifice returned.

ResisterRex · 27/12/2023 15:23

It's the Mail's front page:

x.com/nickfletchermp/status/1739959200288272805?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

The Cass Review can't come soon enough.

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