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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Miriam Cates under investigation

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Arealnumber · 18/12/2023 14:05

Why has Miriam Cates suddenly gone under investigation? The comments in The Times are usually highly supportive of the MPs that speak out against Gender Ideology but they're properly railing against her. What has been her downfall?

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ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 30/12/2023 12:54

Trans in the GRA is a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, not 'born in the wrong body'. The protected character of gender reassignment doesnt mention 'born in the wrong body' either.

Mermaids and stonewall throw a lot of ridiculous concepts around, hoping that somewhere someone would believe it enough to not question trans ideology too much. But these idea are dropped quickly when they become unuseful, so its unsurprising that some people dont keep up and believe in 'born in the wrong body', 'female brain', or 'female height' as resons for identifying as trans.

RebelliousCow · 30/12/2023 16:01

pronounsbundlebundle · 30/12/2023 11:09

The 'born in the wrong body' nonsense has even been disavowed by Mermaids now I think. It's pretty disablist, after all, and also it's attempting to cancel biology which worked out really well when we were all pretending we could carry on and covid wouldn't impact us, and will end similarly well with this. With thousands of children who will have long term health problems due to the lies they were sold.

The 'born in the wrong body' sentiments stem from a cultural expectation rooted in the centrality of the Ego-Self and its creative potential: the idea that we can be anything that we want to be; that we have unlimited free will and the only thing that holds us back is our fear, or societally imposed restraints.Individualistic cultures find personal limitation and restriction difficult to deal with.

And yet we do not have the ability to choose all of our conditions and to that extent that into which we were born is in some degree our fate: that which cannot be avoided and must be faced. People have been trying to control and escape nature for ever, and now we witness the transhumanist fantasies of eternal life, or of man merged with machine so that s/he becomes superhuman.

We can modify our bodies all we like; dress them up; paint and decorate them; subject them to intense pressures and to extreme surgical operations - but we still cannot escape death and we cannot control the manner or nature of our death - even though assisted dying is a measure to try to take control even of that. Even then, though, we are having to make peace with our fate. Our body is in many ways our fate and we are not really separate from it.

Dulaistic religions try to sever the body and the soul from each other because they tend to see the body and the earth as evil and corrupted and not divine.

AdamRyan · 30/12/2023 19:47

RebelliousCow · 30/12/2023 10:53

Your clear intention and purpose is to always find "evidence", no matter how shallow or unreliable) and when the discussion takes a turn you don't like you attempt to cancel.

i'm not on twitter or social media. I post on this forum and one other specialist interest forum - that's it. Mumsnet could certainly do with an 'ignore' button, though. The use of hilarity emojis is a dead give-way for ill intent.

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Why did you say you'd be blocking me then? Confused

Somebody challenging you or posting the other side of a debate is not "cancelling" you. You might not like it, but that's a you problem, as the kids say.

Barr77 · 31/12/2023 20:34

@AdamRyan In ‘Dominion’ Tom Holland sets out an incredibly persuasive argument how the west, and this country “swims in Christian waters”. Whether you like it or acknowledge it,or not.

Holland makes a persuasive case that many of our most proclaimed values and concepts are historically rooted in Christianity. Holland argues that the idea of ‘human rights’ can be traced back to Genesis where God grants inherent worth to every human. For instance, the idea that the poor, the sick, children,
(the weakest and most vulnerable) have dignity, as made clear by Christ, would have at best bemused Spartan, Greek, Roman, Persian and other earlier civilisations

And before you argue Christianity has done so much wrong through the ages:-

“When we condemn what Charlemagne’s soldiers did to the Saxons, or what the Spanish Conquistadors did in the New World, or what English slavers did when they were taking people from Africa to the New World — when we see that, by our standards, these are all crimes, we are judging them as Christians would. Earlier civilisations would have seen nothing wrong with this behaviour.”

Christianity was transformative. He sets out his arguments with conviction.

Apologies for the derail.

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