Miriam Cates under investigation

[Arealnumber]

Why has Miriam Cates suddenly gone under investigation? The comments in The Times are usually highly supportive of the MPs that speak out against Gender Ideology but they're properly railing against her. What has been her downfall?

There's a bit more to it than that.

In May 2006, the TV programme Zembla reported that Hirsi Ali had given false information about her name, her age, and her country of residence when originally applying for asylum.[70] In her asylum application, she had claimed to be fleeing a forced marriage, but the Zembla coverage featured interviews with her family, who denied that claim.[71] The program alleged that, contrary to Hirsi Ali's claims of having fled a Somali war zone, the MP had been living comfortably in upper middle-class conditions safely in Kenya with her family for at least 12 years before she sought refugee status in the Netherlands in 1992.

The accounts of various witnesses varied greatly from hers. According to them, she left Somalia prior to any mass violence and led a comfortable, upper-middle class life in neighboring Kenya, where she attended a Muslim girls' school and received a full western-style education with a focus on the humanities and science. Further, these witnesses allege that her brother attended a Christian school, that she lied to the Dutch immigration service about coming from Somalia in order not to be sent back to Kenya, and that she met her husband a few days before her wedding. After several meetings with him, they allege she agreed to the marriage, even though her mother said Ayaan should finish her education so she could afford to leave him if the marriage should prove unsuccessful. They also allege that Hirsi Ali was present at the wedding, something her brother later denied, and according to several witnesses appeared to be enjoying herself. Hirsi Ali denies all of this. On her way to Canada, she says she travelled to the Netherlands by train during a stopover in Germany and applied for political asylum. During her stay in the Netherlands, she regularly received letters from her father.[72] The documentary also quoted several native Somalis as saying there is no tradition of honor killing in Somalia.[73]

Kinda interesting to see some posters who are concerned about immigration and boats so staunchly defending someone who's proven to have abused the asylum system.

Anyway, I'm at risk of derailing the thread.
Still interested in how people think Miriam Cates/Nat Con goals can be met in a way that's compatible with Conservative values.

WTF are you actually talking about re boats and asylum? Is that directed at me?

Oh, I forgot. I had hoped for once it might be a good faith discussion. Mea Culpa. Fuck this, I'm out.

I might be missing something here with her "ideas"

The basic cost to build even a basic house is around 200k, land, materials and labour (dependant on where you live)
Then the developer has to make a profit, so to make these houses affordable will require subsidy, especially if you want the primary caregiver to stay at home.

So how does tax cuts fit in? we will not only need taxes for the subsidy, we will also have a lower tax take and labour shortages as people leave the workforce.

This seems to me as a "policy" that Cates thinks will appeal to people who wont give it any thought as to its implementation.

This is before you get to who lives in them, for how long, rent or to buy and resale prices oh and people do get divorced, though i suppose Cates could make that far harder.

Do you rely on third hand opinion and google for everything? you said you'd never heard of her - in spite of her being a public figure for many years. Now you are some kind of expert on her.

You should read her three memoirs. She is a very impressive woman.

I once met a young ex muslim woman who was working as a hotel receptionist in my city, having been ejected from her home for rejecting Islam. She considered Ayan Hirsi Ali her absolute heroine.

Have you actually been to any countries outside Europe/the West? They absolutely are not based on these values and it is very naive of you to think that. Suggest you go and live in Middle East/China/many other countries and do some research.

Absolutely. I am not an expert but have lived in countries with large Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu populations and have longstanding and close friends from different cultural traditions. I speak an Asian language pretty fluently. Two examples: the concept of the individual is very different in East Asia, whilst Islamic cultures can be quite fatalistic. God decides, not the individual. So the language I speak does not really have a future tense. Tomorrow you might hope to do something, but it might not happen.

No. If it was directed at you I'd say.

You think people living in the Middle East/China don't value tolerance, equality or compromise? Really?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Socialist_Values#:~:text=The%2012%20values%2C%20written%20in,integrity%22%20and%20%22friendship%22.

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Cates is I take it from your response happy with immigration from all around the world to the UK, and has disowned a party that appears to hate people in desperate conditions fleeing war and persecution?

I'm not claiming to be an expert.
On another thread I was quite frankly amazed that:

1. her dad was persecuted and imprisoned in Somalia
2. while he was in prison, her grandmother subjected her to FGM because the father would not have allowed it. She couldn't find a female to do the FGM so a man did it, they are more gentle so hers was not the most extreme version
3. her dad escaped prison and they fled to Kenya
4. she was radicalised at school in Kenya and joined the Muslim Brotherhood where she was encouraged to be a terrorist
5. she was then subjected to a forced marriage so fled to Europe where she claimed asylum in the Netherlands
6. she turned out to be amazingly gifted and got a degree, became an MP
7. she made a film denouncing Islam and had to go into hiding
8. she became allied to Geert Wilders and his populist party
9. was stripped of her citizenship and moved to the US
10. awarded an honorary degree, rescinded because her views did not align with the universities values
11. became an atheist
12. married a man who appears to think it would be beneficial if Germany won Ww1
13. converted to Christianity

A Dutch TV channel did an investigation into her where they found a lot of witnesses who disputed her version of events.

My personal opinion is she is a fantasist who has made a career from populist views, but others may believe she is genuine. I'm just expressing some caution for lurkers.

Who cares about your opinion, especially when it is based on a selective and wilfully distorted reading - with an obvious agenda. Well done for being able to google wikipedia.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is much admired and for good reason. That you have never really been aware of her before, even though she has been publishing for almost 20 years, maybe suggests that you get most of your news and 'opinions' from social media rather through actual reading or interested research. Her writing on women's issues, especially as they relate to Islam are very well known.

If you are already anti-Muslim then of course you'll agree with her, confirmation bias is a powerful thing.
There is enough evidence of her being dishonest that I don't think she's a reliable source.
You don't agree and have gone to personal insults to make your point but ultimately people can draw their own conclusions if they do a bit of research.

When did Miriam Cates segue into Ayan Hirsi Ali?

Some in the Tory Party know what a woman is. Miriam Cates is one. The multiple rapist of Tory women is another one.

Some in the Tory Party don't know what a woman is. PM Johnson couldn't say that only women have a cervix. The Secretary of State couldn't define the word "Girl". PM Sunak said that a woman was whatever PM Johnson said. I mean WTF sort of answer is that?

Some in the Tory Party believe that men can be women. PM May was the first to introduce Self ID in 2017. This policy was championed by other Tory MPs and written into law. Including a Maternity Bill. TWAW believers have been leading the Dept of Education for years. Tory MPs have reported women to the police and their employers for retweeting JKR. The Tory Party supported and funded Stonewall training throughout our public services because their head was a Tory donor. A Tory MP actually believes he is becoming a woman. He has the full support of many of those in his party.

None of them actually give a shit about women.

Gender ideology isnt left wing or right wing. The difference is how women can fight gender ideology within left and right politics.

The tory party tried to bring in self id, but after a public consultation, backed down. I'm not convinced a left wing party in power would.

Lots of MPs are TWAW, but the conservatives allow women who disagree cabinet roles. Starmer doesnt even speak to Rosie Duffield.

Generally speaking, the right will allow women to speak, the left spend time discrediting women who disagree with them rather than justifying why women should accept men as women.
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Once you spot one witch, you see them everywhere.

I have not seen this. Do you have a link to her or the Tory Party's endeavours to create the cheaper housing and lower living costs necessary, so parents have a choice?

One of the recent things they did was to try and scrap nutrients neutrality rules for housing developments which is causing huge delays for house building because the concept is not properly defined and no one really knows how to measure it or to meet the requirements. Labour voted against and stopped the bill in the HoL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66788547

https://www.architecture.com/knowledge-and-resources/knowledge-landing-page/what-is-nutrient-neutrality-and-why-is-it-stalling-thousands-of-projects

Trying to do something and blaming everyone else if it fails is very different to doing stuff for the betterment of the country. The Tory Party have a majority in the HoC and the HoL. Why haven't they enacted it? They've been in power for 13 years now.

Is it incompetence?

I was just giving an example of an endeavour, with links, as you asked for. One I happen to know about. You could see what else you can find. It won't all be on legislation, often just policy decisions. I am not sure how you'd find out Miriam Cares positions on it all. I guess voting record for the legislative stuff. There may be things on her MP website.

I am not sure how much they have successfully done on these matters. The day to day/non-controversial stuff tends not to be in the press and I haven't gone looking for it (though I will go looking on housing as I think more affordable housing is of critical importance).

From what I do see, competence seems to be a (very) mixed bag.

The difference is stark when you look at Kemi Badenoch v treatment of Rosie Duffield

Kemi is committed to dealing with pro women issues and highly motivated. Rosie Duffield is investigated for liking a tweet

Whittome and others go on about expelling anyone not gender focussed enough, and good old Lammy with his dinosaurs

pp who are pro Labour might find that difference more obvious when there’s no Kemi to fight McCarthy-type actions as per Falkner and it’s just outcast if you do. No one there to stand up for Duffield, more re education statements as per the Labour councillor or you’re out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67842890

One has to wonder why this chap, like Cates if he genuninely wants to help the poor joined a party which for 13 years has consistently introduced policies to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

When they show you what they really think, I find it is best to believe them, unless Cleverly has already slipped something into your drink?

It was a bit more than liking a tweet, a tweet made by a holocaust denier that Jewish trans people were not persecuted by the Nazi's, they were, where ever found, killed or sent to camps, disgusting that she agreed with this false statement.

TBH i didn't know this, enlightening esp as so many people on the right defend this "liking"

I wonder what the pro Tories on here would have said had no action been taken against Duffield?

Badenoch is part of the Govt that still, in law, allows men to be sent to female prisons as long as they haven't committed a violent offence, wow! how reassuring!

She, like Cates, just says the first thing that comes into her head.