Miriam Cates under investigation

[Arealnumber]

Why has Miriam Cates suddenly gone under investigation? The comments in The Times are usually highly supportive of the MPs that speak out against Gender Ideology but they're properly railing against her. What has been her downfall?

Pro Labour will find TRAs and their party align with centre left media. You won’t have much challenge to gender ideology

Maybe that’s the aim, it won’t be good for sex based rights though

It was a bit more than liking a tweet, a tweet made by a holocaust denier that Jewish trans people were not persecuted by the Nazi's, they were, where ever found, killed or sent to camps, disgusting that she agreed with this false statement.

Is this Rosie Duffield you're talking about? (It's not clear who "she" is.)

Is it this incident?

Then, eight months ago, she dared to like a tweet by the writer Graham Linehan, who was responding to a tweet by Eddie Izzard claiming that, had he lived in Nazi Germany, ‘I’d have been murdered for it’. Linehan – and rightly, so in my view – retorted with a sarcastic, ‘Ah, yes, the Nazis, famously bigoted against straight white men with blonde hair.’

Like i said, disgusting that people defend this tweet and Duffield, Trans or no Trans, no-one deserved to be sent to Dachau & against the back drop of Corbyn and anti-Semitism.

LGBT+ Labour have been gunning for Duffield for years. If they get their way, and pp seem keen, who’s left in Labour to challenge gender ideology?

Pretty much no one. Hopefully we won’t lose too much of the small gains recently. It takes time to go up against captured institutions but aligning with TRAs will be much worse for women and school age.

? This surely can't be in reference to Linehan pointing out Izzard's absurdity and inaccuracy.

Izzard isn't a "superhero" but in 30s Germany he would have been killed, being Trans is a little more than "cross dressing" as Linehan puts it.

Plenty of blue eyed blondes were sent to camps/murdered, the nazis went back generations for "impurities or ideologies" incredible people defend this, i guess we do forget or chose too.

How is cross dressing different from being Trans?

Do you think Barry Humphries was Trans?

Or Brianna Ghey was a cross dresser?

Do you genuinely think that its impossible to be born into the wrong body? maybe you do, perhaps you think that gays don't deserve any rights as its "unnatural" too?

Izzard isn't a "superhero" but in 30s Germany he would have been killed, being Trans is a little more than "cross dressing" as Linehan puts it.

Being trans may be more than 'cross dressing' for some people, but for Izzard, it most definitely isn't. How could he have 'girl days' and 'boy days' if it isn't just cross dressing.

Do you genuinely think that its impossible to be born into the wrong body?

Yes.

Do you genuinely think that its possible to be born into the wrong body? How does that work then?

Yes, Trans ideology cuts through politcal allegiances, but is far more prevalent and an established article of faith in the Labour party. We'd already have self Id if Labour had been in government rather than the Conservatives. It was the conservative party that blocked it, both here and in Scotland, don't forget.
And if it hadn't been for Tory MPs and the lone Labour MP Rosie Duffield there would have been no debate at all.....still.

There is a reason that Ian Anderson, of Stonewall, fairly recently crossed the chamber to join the Labour benches. He's gone quiet recently, after his humiliating interview - but sure as day he's still beavering away behind the scenes with the likes of Angela Eagle, Michale Cashman and numerous other Labour MPS, including my own, to deliver on Stonewall's aims.

Now that you have confirmed that this is about Rosie Duffield, who is the holocaust denier? The tweet she liked was by Graham Linehan. What was the tweet which said that "Jewish trans people were not persecuted by the Nazi's, they were, where ever found, killed or sent to camps"? The Graham Linehan one was criticising Eddie Izzard.

There's no reason to believe Izzard would have been targeted. That's not holocaust denial (is that the latest fashionable appropriation?), it's an evidence-based assessment.

You know education is a far more reliable tool than indoctrination. In order to really understand something, or attempt to - you have to experience it for yourself, or else to read and interview as widely as possible. Google and second hand opinions don't cut it. You suggested that " lurkers" should treat your words on Ayaan Hirsi Ali as some kind of warning not to read her work; even though yourself haven't.

This is what happens when tribal indoctrination takes precedence over enquiry - one simply repeats snippets they've found on the internet from their usual 'safe' sources and treats them as gospel ( "damn that christian heritage"!) and don't even bother to really educate themselves on the issues they preach.

You have taken an automatic antipathetic stance towards Ayyan Hirsi Ali purely because you have heard her mentioned on this board ( having never heard of her before) and because your predominant stance is hostility and antipathy towards most that post here - because the views and discussions don't align with your tribe.

Yes, I am most certainly critical of Islam, certainly in the ways it is preached and enacted ( position of women, fatwah, jihad, love of death, martyrdom), but that doesn't make me "anti muslim", same way you are critical of Christianity even though I assume you have friends or acqaintances who are Christians?
I've read as many books from people caught up in Christian and other religious cults as I have about women's experiences under Islam - have you?

Its amazing how adept posters are at refocusing threads that are critical of the Conservatives onto Labour.
This is a thread about Miriam Cates, not endless rehashing of Rosie Duffield.

I'm not critical of Christianity. I'm critical of blurring church and state. I like living in a secular country and I think all religions are inherently patriarchal and therefore bad for women.

I have no desire to read something written by a proven liar. It's not reliable so not worth my time.

BTW a lot of what you've written about Islam is islamophobic nonsense, I'm reporting you for that.

This issue has only come to public consciousness in the last few years - before this all of our institutions were acting blindly and without enquiry. That is how institutional capture works - and that was always the intention of those driving trans ideology. To insert it and legislate for it before people finally got wind of it.

I was teaching 13 years ago, and trans simply was not a thing in schools then, and nobody anywhere was really aware or had come across the newly invented category of the 'trans child'. Stonewall have really only been pushing this since 2014.

🤷‍♂️ it’s amazing how Labour supporters dislike their party coming up

I get why as they are utterly shit on gender and we’ll be screwed

but still..

"Do you genuinely think that its impossible to be born into the wrong body?"

• *Of course - that's nonsense-speak. You are born WITH a body, not "into" one, and the body you are born with IS your body, and not wrong at all. You might not like it much and wish you had a body of the other type, but it's still your body.

I'm sure that attempting to cancel discussion will give you some semblance of pleasure. I'll be blocking you going forward. You are very hypocritical and only here for aggro. And nothing I have mentioned about particular islamic dogmas is factually incorrect.

You do know this isn't twitter? You can't block me, bad luck 😂Anyway fine with me if you don't want to respond. I'll continue pointing out where there is evidence that doesn't support your viewpoint.

Your clear intention and purpose is to always find "evidence", no matter how shallow or unreliable) and when the discussion takes a turn you don't like you attempt to cancel.

i'm not on twitter or social media. I post on this forum and one other specialist interest forum - that's it. Mumsnet could certainly do with an 'ignore' button, though. The use of hilarity emojis is a dead give-way for ill intent.

"Do you genuinely think that its impossible to be born into the wrong body?"

Yes. Which bit do you think is in the 'wrong' body? What does 'wrong' mean? Are you suggesting we have souls that are pre destined to be placed in certain bodies?

The 'born in the wrong body' nonsense has even been disavowed by Mermaids now I think. It's pretty disablist, after all, and also it's attempting to cancel biology which worked out really well when we were all pretending we could carry on and covid wouldn't impact us, and will end similarly well with this. With thousands of children who will have long term health problems due to the lies they were sold.

Perhaps it's part of a catechism every MP should undergo:

"Du you believe people can be born in the wrong body?"

"Yes."

"Sorry, you're too stupid to be an MP. Next!"