Does feminism have an anti-Semitism problem?

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/spotlight/does-feminism-have-an-antisemitism-problem/?fbclid=IwAR2Peotm8PwNdTpDdzgW1KXUOCD1YuQ6jiSY2LpBfNMlqcz9hQzq0rYmGgc

I've not had a change to listen to this yet, but thought this may be of interest to some.

I've put this here following on from the previous thread on Sex and Gender about the sexual abuse of Israeli women and girls by Hamas on October 7th.

No it doesn't. Feminists condemn all sexual assault.

I think it does, yes. There are many extreme left feminists who are antisemitic, pro corbyn, pro denying what Hamas did on 7/10. One of them posted on her face page page on Holocaust memorial day to say that it shouldn't be just the holocaust being remembered. Couldn't give Jewish people just one day to remember their holocaust dead. I removed her, so don't need to see this anymore.

Are some feminist also anti semetic? I expect so.

Does that mean all feminists, every type of feminism, every feminist has an anti semetic problem. No I don’t think so.

I do wonder why, when feminists are largely ignored when talking on women’s issues or aggressively shouted down, threaten and so on any blame is being put their way on this issue. I wonder why?

The left wing has a well-documented problem with antisemitism, and most feminists are left wing so I would suspect that the conjunction of the two is because the left wing has an antisemitism problem rather than feminism itself.

Yes, this is the likely explanation.

I don't see why feminism would independently have an issue with antisemitism.

I would hope all who speak out against VAWG would not be anti semitic. I guess because as a 'movement' (not really sure there is some organised movement) there has been no 'official' condemnation of the atrocities carried out against women and girls by Hamas. But I have seen plenty of women condemn it, singular voices raised among the rabble of 'but look at what Israel have done to the Muslims'.
Rape, torture, degradation of women's bodies only speak of one thing, hatred for women, misogyny. It is not an act of war, it is a war on women and girls. Spitting on dead women's bodies that you have defiled in the most heinous way, you can fuck off. You do not have my sympathy for your cause. So yes, I have seen many women speak up for Jewish women, after all we are also protecting spaces for them in our fight. We fight for all women, whether they realise it or not.
To be fair I have seen many women, like myself, lefty women, who have always supported the Palestinian cause, step back because of the events of October 7th. A nation that has chosen as its leaders men with this level of hatred for women is not a nation I can fully support.

@ace249

One of them posted on her face page page on Holocaust memorial day to say that it shouldn't be just the holocaust being remembered.

From what I could tell, Corbyn wanted to change the name to something that was about attacking Israel.

Totally absurd.

Feminists? As in all of them? Or even a majority?

That's a bit like saying all people with hazel eyes are radical evangelical Christians, for an equally ridiculous example.

It was 'Genocide Memorial Day – Never Again For Anyone' that was the name change that was supported by Corbyn (and several other MPs).

We should also remember that Corbyn called Hezbollah and Hamas his “friends”.

yeah, sometimes he was subtle in his antisemitism. Other times, he was more blatant. 😡

Many of our US second-wave foremothers were Jewish - including Dworkin.

Not in my experience.

As mentioned earlier there is certainly a left wing antisemitism problem and many feminists are left wing, so there will be some correlation.

However, I would say that left wing feminists are less likely to be antisemitic than the left as a whole. Feminists will be aware that women - especially lesbians - are treated far better in Israel than anywhere else in the middle-east.

There will of course be many Corbyn style ‘feminists who support men over women, especially if those men wear a dress. I have no doubt that these ‘feminists’ will also be Jew haters supporters of Hamas Palestine.

@FlippinFumin
There has been no 'official' condemnation of the atrocities carried out against women and girls by Hamas.

I know already Biden and Sunak have. Many MPs have. UN reps have and there has been a UN meeting with over 800 reps for hearing and gathering evidence specifically for the war crime of VAWG by Hamas. If this is not it, what would official look like?

To be fair I have seen many women, like myself, lefty women, who have always supported the Palestinian cause, step back because of the events of October 7th. A nation that has chosen as its leaders men with this level of hatred for women is not a nation I can fully support.

The last election held in Gaza was in 2004.
Given that just over half of the current population is children (weren’t alive) and another 25% are under the age of 38 (not old enough to vote in 2004), then 75% of the population will never have even had the chance to vote, never mind choose to vote for Hamas. Gazan Palestinians haven’t chosen this.

I will note alongside the horrific events carried out by Hamas, there are longterm accounts of violence and sexual violence, including rape against Palestinian women and girls, and also boys in Israeli prisons.

@RandySavage

However, I would say that left wing feminists are less likely to be antisemitic than the left as a whole. Feminists will be aware that women - especially lesbians - are treated far better in Israel than anywhere else in the middle-east.

I don’t disagree, but that would be heavily caveated on where you live in Israel and in which community.

For the thread, also note the views of the very recently elected Rabbi Col. Eyal Karim Chief Rabbi for IDF. This Rabbi has said rape is permissible in war. When quizzed on his justification, this was the response:

“Although intercourse with a female gentile is very grave, it was permitted during wartime (under the conditions it stipulated) out of consideration for the soldiers’ difficulties,” he wrote. “And since our concern is the success of the collective in the war, the Torah permitted [soldiers] to satisfy the evil urge under the conditions it stipulated for the sake of the collective’s success.” More info in article below.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-taps-chief-rabbi-who-once-seemed-to-permit-wartime-rape/

Yes I think intersectional feminists are anti-semitic having swallowed critical race theory and queer theory.

The fact that the sexual atrocities are being talked about now is due to other feminists recoiling in horror at the deafening silence and the whataboutery.

Source from israel, not biased at all….

No there isin’t a ’anti-semetism’ problem among feminists. There is a strong pro-zionism stance on a lot of feminists sites, specially on radical feminist (I count this as one). And I know you said jewish and of course bot all jews are zionists, but they are loud and will always come to israelis/jewish defence, no matter what, even if they are wrong.

I just want to remind everyone that israel has now murdered 20 000+ Palestininas, thousands are lost and more injured. Among the dead 70% are women and children, yet this board has not have one thread about this.
And they claim feminism is for all women 🤨🙄
Women and girls are dead, dying, starving, tortured, without peruod products, homeless - and it’s winter…. List goes on.
Why so quiet?

I just want to remind everyone that israel has now murdered 20 000+ Palestininas, thousands are lost and more injured. Among the dead 70% are women and children, yet this board has not have one thread about this.
And I mourn everyone of them. Without the actions of Hamas none one of them would have suffered.

Wow. That whole article 😯

Yes I would agree with this a bit. CRT struggles to accommodate Jews and Israel, so it follows that some intersectional feminists are pretty antisemitic.

I expect women and feminists are about as likely, or unlikely, to be anti-Semitic as anyone else.

Yes, I think this is where you might see a correlation.

I would argue that there is a feminism of the political right, but some people wouldn't call that feminism, and maybe you'd be less likely to see that same correlation there.

But it's not really a feminist problem, as such.

Do you have a source for this?

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/excl-jeremy-corbyn-and-john-mcdonnell-called-for-holocaust-memorial-day-to-be-renamed

… you can see from the link that as usual Corbyn has not really said anything anti-Jewish himself, but that once again he+was hanging around with some extremely unsavoury characters.

I actually don’t think that Corbyn is anti-Semitic. I do believe that he is naive and easily manipulated.

I think that the mural incident could demontrate that he just doesn't recognise antisemitism even when it is staring him in the face.

https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/977183210051338241/photo/1