Predatory woman who incited man to abuse child, 4 jailed

[Justme56]

'Predatory' woman who incited man to abuse child, 4, jailed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67659811

BBC missing out some detail here.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3058806/Transgender-model-inspired-Giselle-Kate-Moss-hopes-crowned-beauty-queen.html

Agree, @FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper
It shouldn’t need to be said. Stating this suggests that there are four-year-olds who aren’t “innocent and vulnerable”. ALL children are vulnerable.

I don’t like the use of “innocent” in reporting of CSA regardless of the child’s age because it smacks of a regressive moral judgment perhaps rooted in religious belief of a child’s previous behaviour (eg in cases where teenage girls have been groomed or subjected to SA, whether or not they have had any previous consensual sexual experiences should be completely irrelevant).

It’s very concerning to see a child described in this way. All we need to know is that this was a four-year-old.

I don’t like the use of innocent to describe any victim of sexual assault and abuse. Whatever their age.

It’s all creeping into that judging the victim to determine whether the assault was actually a crime, as if the victim’s character is more important than the perpetrator’s actions.

The victim here was a 4 year old. That is absolutely all we need to know.

You know it’s times like this which makes me wish I was a psychiatrist or something because I really want to study why these men get off on abusing children like this.

What Kinsey got up to, cloaked as supposed 'scientific research', never ceases to repulse me beyond words.

Why he wasn't - and still isn't to this day - widely acknowledged and denounced as the vile abuser of children that he so clearly was, I will never know.

There is still a supposedly respectable organisation called the Kinsey Institute; not much different from somebody proudly setting up and maintaining a 'Jimmy Savile Institute' in my opinion.

Off the top of my head power, control, having something they know they're not supposed to, breaking societal norms, plus the sexual thrill of getting away with it, and some were abused themselves and think therefore it's OK because it didn't do them any harm!?!

Don't agree at all. A lot of trans women make excellent "beauty queens". Nothing about being a beauty queen is "proper womanning " it's all about conforming to a feminine beauty stereotype, using as much surgery and make up as you like to get there. If the cap fits, let them wear it.

His views were so influential, filtered down, and still are having an effect - his idea that very young children are sexual for example ( rather than sensual)
has crept into school’s sex education policies and the WHO advice.

So much this. Even under the crazy ipso guidance I don't think the word female has been commandeered before, just woman. GMP need talking to about facts. Ffs.

I emailed GB news about it but don’t think it was just me as programming is usually decided in advance. I know Andrew Doyle pays a lot of attention to women’s issues and comments quite vocally on protecting women especially on Twitter/X. GB news was the first broadcaster I felt really drew attention to this madness which largely, I think is due to his determination as a producer.

Oh, the TRAd have been claiming the word 'female' for a while now

E.g. India Willoughby waving his their passport and exclaiming that it says :female'. Which it does, thanks to the authorities' utter stupidity.

It was in response to what is a woman - adult human female. So that word Female needed colonisation to really erase women further and take as many of our descriptors as they can.

Except it's been a bridge too far.

"I feel like a woman."

"Ok, I'll tolerantly and kindly indulge that a bit if we wiggle around a lot with your definition of 'woman' and witter about social contexts a lot..."

"I'm female."

"No. You're not."

'Trans female' just means 'male woman'. It's like an up down. Or a right left. Or a cat dog. And that's the point that people lose all patience and just say right, fine, it's a man. End of.

Yes. Making a moral judgement of the victim is not appropriate.

Has anyone had a reply to their complaint. I wrote in about how they reported on Brianna and have just had a reply saying that Brianna was transgender therefore they had to use preferred pronouns according to their style policy. My question is, as teenagers cannot even apply for a GRC how do they even know what it means. Good luck trying to get an answer or better, a change of policy. Thoroughly confusing.

Not heard a peep. They've not amended the article either.

You’d think that their style policy was not something within their organisation’s control with that response.

That’s a ‘we don’t care’ but we’ll pretend it’s ’computer says no’.

No response from BBC or GMP for me so far. Came on here today curious to see if anyone else had received anything yet.

Same.

That is just too awful for words, beyond the imagination of most of us.

Not a peep here either.

Nothing here. If I don't hear anything soon I'll follow up my complaints and give them a (polite) kick up the backside.

Yes, @megletthesecond, I'm reflecting on when would be reasonable to pester! BBC & GMP will be inundated, I'm sure - but, meanwhile, these misleading reports & quotes still stand, during the period in which they're being read most...

I got a non reply from GMP.

Nothing from MEN but perhaps they published a correction and clarification.

Nothing from BBC but it will be usual non reply when it comes

Got a reply of sorts from thf BBC

The most pertinaceous paragraph, IMO, is:

"We wanted to let you know that we have referred your complaint to the relevant people and are still looking into it. We regret that it may take a little bit longer before we can reply. Please wait to hear from us before you contact us any further – we appreciate your patience."

Who are the "relevant people"? Those who wrote and/or approved the story? The body whose press release the Beeb more or less copied anc pasted?

Is the BBC just flapping about trying to find a form of words that won't annoy someone?

I got the same holding message from the BBC.