Use of puberty blockers has doubled since NHS "clampdown"

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Hopefully that is the archive link to article in the Telegraph.

"The number of children being put on puberty blockers has doubled since the NHS pledged to clamp down on the treatment, The Telegraph can disclose.
At least 100 children – some as young as 12 – have been put on the drugs to prevent pubertyy_ since July 2022, when health officials said the practice would be stopped outside of clinical trials after a damning review of children’s gender services."

It goes on to say:

"But in the 12 months to July 2023, the number of children beginning puberty blockers on the NHS rose to 83, which is double the average of the previous two years.
Freedom of Information (FoI) requests to Leeds General Infirmary and University College London Hospital, which receive referrals from the Tavistock’s Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), revealed at least a further 17 children started blockers between July and October this year, bringing the total to at least 100 since last summer.
This does not include patients given blockers privately or by a GP, while FoI exemption rules relating to small numbers potentially identifying individuals mean this is the most conservative estimate.
The Tavistock has referred dozens more for assessments by hormone specialists."

Good question.

That's a really clear article about the hold extreme transactivists have on child health care. The comments underneath are generally informed with many focusing on the need to safeguard children from this toxic ideology. and dangerous unevidenced "medical treatment".

There's a surprising amount of adults disinterested in safeguarding children in the NHS, the civil service and government.

I've been asking that for years, and I have never yet had an answer.

Not in the back and forth here either.. I was avidly looking for it!

It is not treatment on demand for a patient to work with their doctor to decide on the best course of treatment for them.

When I went to a GP with symptoms of depression, the GP didn’t insist on one form of treatment and only one. They worked through the options with me and together we settled on the right one.

You seem to think patients shouldn’t have the right to influence the correct treatment path for themselves.

They didn’t give you an experimental treatment with no idea about the lifelong side effects. Did they?

Also we are talking about children.

Children, children, children.

Why is it that transactivists always centre adults / themselves when we're talking about children (many below the age of consent)?

Oh in that case you’re even more wrong about the ‘treatment on demand’ claim.

The NHS provides a tiny proportion of children on its books for gender dysphoria with puberty blockers.

I think the last figures I saw was in the region of 6% to 10%. So in addition to having to wait several years for a first appointment, the vast majority are not ever prescribed puberty blockers.

Hardly ‘treatment on demand’.

You didn't read the article or the thread did you? 😂

"The number of children being put on puberty blockers has doubled since the NHS pledged to clamp down on the treatment, The Telegraph can disclose.
At least 100 children – some as young as 12 – have been put on the drugs to prevent pubertyy_ since July 2022"

Why should any of these children be put on a drug which can have such appalling side effects? They don't have a medical condition, so why are any of them being put on these drugs?

What is it you think about that quote that you think rebuts what I said?

Over a hundred. Out of thousands of kids being treated for gender dysphoria.

So a very very small minority on puberty blockers then? Again - are you really claiming that a kid with gender dysphoria waiting several years to get treatment and then be one of the tiny minority on puberty blockers = treatment on demand?

PlanetJanette when do you think it matters? How many children should be harmed before it is too many? You think one hundred children is not enough to protect, would 200 be? 1000?

What is gender dysphoria in children? How is it diagnosed? I've just checked the NHS website and I notice they have removed their list of "symptoms" of gender dysphoria in children, probably because it was pointed out to them that it was just a list of stereotypes. They now just say:

A diagnosis of gender dysphoria in childhood is rare.
Most children who seem confused about their gender identity when young will not continue to feel the same way beyond puberty. Role playing is not unusual in young children.

Why are thousands of children being treated for a "condition" for which the NHS can't even provide a basic list of symptoms? And is it even a medical condition at all? The trans lobby seem to think it isn't. Why does this condition, which isn't a medical condition, need treatment from the NHS at all?

I've asked you about this a few times now, @PlanetJanette. You still haven't replied. Why is that?

I think it's hugely worrying that the numbers being treated with puberty blockers has gone up.

Anyone know when the full Cass review will be published?

Whether or not it's treatment on demand doesn't seem to me to be the main issue. I'm worried about sterilising confused kids and giving them side effects for gender dysphoria which in most cases improves over time if not medicalised.

Are there any more legal cases in the pipeline to try and halt this?

If gender dysphoria isn't an illness, why does it need to be treated?

Because if left alone, children will grow out of if.

Who would not want children to grow out of it, and why?

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The point I am making seems to be going over your head.

The claim I was responding to was that trans people - trans kids in particular - get ‘treatment on demand’ on the NHS.

If they have to wait several years to even be seen and then less than 10% are prescribed puberty blockers then there is no world in which that can be described as treatment on demand.

I’m not sure why anyone thinks I should answer any further questions even though no one has addressed the point I made.

They're getting puberty blockers a lot quicker than many other people get treatment for actual physical health problems.

Puberty, obviously, is not a health problem. Why does it need treatment?

According to gender identity theory, "being trans" is not a medical condition. We're asking you why these children need medication for something which is not a medical condition. If it's not a medical condition, then getting treatment for it is "treatment on demand", because the treatment is completely unnecessary.

So is "being trans" a medical condition or not? What is the treatment for if it's not a medical condition?

I agree that doesn't look like "treatment on demand" in the NHS.

Now do trans-activists want it to be pretty much "treatment on demand"?

Can you get "treatment on demand" from the right private doctor?

I'm not personally against a more libertarian approach to medicine.

For example, some people may genuinely benefit from T3 regardless of what the guidelines are saying these days. Some people may benefit from Bupropion regardless of it being an off label antidepressant in the UK.

You need to take into account cost with the NHS.

Obviously that's different to experimental treatments at an age where people can't properly consent and may have impaired thinking in a particular area similar to anorexia.

Obviously that's different to experimental treatments at an age where people can't properly consent and may have impaired thinking

We get told if they don’t take PB they will commit suicide. Being suicidal means they are not capable of giving consent so that alone should mean they are not prescribed them.

I wonder what they'll do if one parent consent and the other doesn't? Although frankly I'm aghast that any referral would be made without parental consent.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/07/children-trans-referrals-parents-new-nhs-rules/

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