Critically acclaimed Trans gender author says Twin Towers was principled destruction

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I don't know if anyone has posted this already but the same person shared the desire to slit JKs throat a little while ago

Deny it all you want. But it’s still true. We are living in the world the left built since the 1960’s at least.

😂🤣 WTAF.

So we've all just imagined that the Tories have been in power here for approximately 80 years out of the last 100 years. Labour have had approx 18 years in power in a century.
Are we supposed to believe the Tories are left wing now?

Okay little buddy 😊

The phrase "are you on glue?" Isn't used enough any more...

When I go on holiday I do come across frequent flyers sometimes. Never really the sort I engage in conversation!

I haven't heard that phrase in years

Had forgotten about it

Will have to start using it again. So many people I want to say that too on mumsnet

Institutions and media do hold a fair bit of power. And unlike a government they are hard to change

It’s why when people say an institution is captured most people recognise that’s a very difficult thing for women to challenge

The media here is split thankfully but somewhere where it is entirely captured is very difficult again, NZ perhaps

Then the laws too are on the side of men, the GRA and EU law

So yes, women are getting it from more angles than just a gov, in fact on this they’ve been left without much power to change.

How would we repeal the GRA?

Attention-seeking, mentally unstable bloke. One of many, unfortunately.

Doesn't he realise that OBL's lot would not be welcoming him with open arms?

UK
October 1959 - October 1964: Conservative
October 1964 - June 1970:
Labour
June 1970 - March 1974
Conservative
March 1974 - May 1979
Labour
May 1979 - May 1997
Conservative
May 1997 - May 2010
Labour
May 2010 - May 2015
Conservative/Liberal Democrat Coalition
May 2015 - present
Conservative

You do not need to be a mathematical genius to see that, since the start of the 1960s, the right have been in power here for almost twice as long as the left have.

Obviously the UK isn’t the world; so the obvious other place to look, geopolitically speaking, is the US. Where the picture regarding power is of course more complicated, but the obvious place to start is with Presidents.
Presidents
[1960] Eisenhower (R)
1961-1963 Kennedy (D)
1963-1969 Johnson (D)
1969-1974 Nixon (R)
1974-1977 Ford (R)
1977-1981 Carter (D)
1981-1989 Reagan (R)
1989-1993 Bush (R)
1993-2001 Clinton (D)
2001-2009 W. Bush (R)
2009-2017 Obama (D)
2017-2021 Trump (R)
2021-now Biden (D)

So the Republicans have had 33 years & the Democrats around 29 years 10 months of the Presidency each since 1960. Fairly even. But the balancing act with the legislature (I’m not going to try to evaluate the third side of the triangle here!) does shift the picture somewhat. Nonetheless, it all arguably becomes moot when one considers that the Democrats are not, in fact, a left-wing party at all 🤷‍♀️

Personally I appreciate those crazy leftist notions that have persisted, like universal health care. I am very much enjoying my neither being dead nor having bankrupted my family with my wanton crippledom.

I would say a lot of deeply unpleasant people ideas being on the left. But as we know that often has little relation to reality!

I think there is no real thing as left and right any more, both have policies that you would expect to see on the other side so they are a mush mash now.

web.archive.org/web/20021127081250/www.observer.co.uk:80/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

^ first archive after publishing in Nov 2002

web.archive.org/web/20231115081501/www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

^ last archive before it was removed Nov 2023

It looks like the same text with the same awful message justifying killing people and the same homophobia.

As I've seen written on here before, they can't be a cunt, they lack the warmth and depth.

Yeah it’s what leftists tend to do when they don’t have real arguments, they often just insult and attack the person instead. Look at all the personal attacks JKR has had, it’s just because they don’t have an argument... So disappointing really, but it does reveal what they are I suppose…,

Thanks, you are seeing the same thing I see and coming to a completely different conclusion I guess.

I am seeing those stats and concluding that they prove that the general population cannot make a difference via the ballot box. There is a very good book I’m reading about it now called the populist delusion.

Is the U.K. more or less left progressive than it was when the Tories were elected in 2010? I’d say more and therefore conclude that electing a conservative government cannot or at least has not stopped this leftwards drift, you seem to be saying the fact we’ve had a conservative government for the last 13 years means that we have been moving to the right for the last 13 years if I understand you?

Mm.

More venn diagrams developing, there's the incel circle and the sociopath circle and the antisocial personality disorder circle, and a lot of intersection going on really.

It is becoming more and more necessary to recognise that when the line of letters 'LGBT+(infinity)' is used, it now means a political lobby. Of whom this individual is sadly pretty representative of views, behaviours and attitudes towards other humans.

That acrononym now only means and identifies that political lobby. Any LGBT people not compliant and enabling of that TQ lobby have long since been excluded, thrown out, screamed at, threatened and derided, however it continues to serve the lobby to use the acronym for their own purposes and power, and claim to be representing everyone who is LGBT. It's (another) Trojan Horse.

Therefore yes. This individual is representative of many in the political lobby which is now exclusively T political agenda focused, and aggressively prejudiced against any other voices or views, including wishing to make homosexuality unacceptable and stamped out. Neither the lobby nor this person is representative of all LGBT people. It is the political lobby, those whom it is attracting and encouraging, and what it is enabling, and why/how they benefit from the enabling that is the unacceptable problem, and growing steadily more of a problem. Not the people.

Politicians and newspapers really need to start laying out this distinction in words of one syllable.

It’s really tedious when any discussion gets turned into a generalised tirade agains ‘leftists’ or ‘the right’.

There are terrible people and good people and loads of people in between across the political spectrum.

I see those posts more about who holds power and why it underpins male rights, which then shows up in extremes such as this person, who is enabled to continue

It could just be a thread on how awful etc but I found pp look at structures that put women where we are interesting

We have very little room for challenge within laws and institutions

It’s better imo to talk about that

I think you can use such things at the end of a post on here after you have started your argument, to show emotional.

A bit like saying "give your head a wobble" as a form of frustration about something ridiculous posted. After you have told them why what they posted was ridiculous.

I don't think it was only people on the left that used to say it. Mostly hear it from older more Conservative types when someone spoke about more liberal things back then

The thing is, the posts I’m describing prevent any useful discussion of these structural issues.

Instead it turns into bordering on conspiracy theorist nonsense about ‘leftists’ or whatever that prevents any useful discussion and seek to put everyone into unfit for purpose boxes.

If you go far left enough or far right enough you end up in the same place. The extremes on both sides each circle back into fascism.

Well, we have seen some of the left, (or far left, whatever) supporting the Hamas attack on Israel, so why not bin Laden also?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

Raymond Ibrahim, as a researcher at the Library of Congress, found a significant difference between Al Qaeda's messages in English directed to a Western audience and al Qaeda's Arab messages and documents directed to an Islamic audience. The Western-directed messages listed grievances as grounds for retaliation employing the "language of 'reciprocity.'" Literature for Islamic audiences contained theological motivations bereft of references to the acts of Western nations.

But is it untrue? And if it’s true doesn’t it matter?

We have had a conservative government for the last 13 years. Now when I think back 13 years to 2010 what was the country like as compared to now? In 2010 did you worry about schools indoctrinating your kids? Did university students behave as insanely and in such great numbers in 2010 as they do now? Did was have such obvious two tier policing in 2010? Did officers from a politicised police force knock on people’s doors to check their thinking in 2010? Did banks and other essential service providers regularly cancel their customers accounts because of their customers politics in 2010? I could go on and on but you get the picture.

I guess the next question I would then ask is are these changes unique to the U.K. due to a unique type of government or has this been a trend and a general direction of travel across the west? I would say this has been a trend across the whole western world.

So next thing I have to ask is what has driven these changes? Are they natural and organic or has an organised elite driven those changes? I would say the answer here is less obvious but that it’s elite driven, if it weren’t you wouldn’t have the general population electing all those right wing governments that never seem to achieve anything.

Who are these elites then? Well that’s difficult because it’s not an organised conspiracy or anything like that but I guess they are people with a certain way of thinking and a relatively common set of values that dominate all the important institutions in the west right down from a local police force right up to a large NGO or EU or UN body. I think these people are left wing, progressive internationalist and liberals. And it’s not an accident they all agree on pretty much it’s just the logical conclusions to their core values. It’s no accident that all the large centre left parties in the U.K. have almost identical policies on trans rights, it simply their progressive belief system running to its logical conclusion.

I would argue that progressive liberal thinking really got started in the 1960’s and has become slowly dominant since then. We are now living in the world that many of the ex-guardian readers on here have long championed and cheered for.

I don’t think the right can easily reverse this either. The Tories certainly can’t because they are unwilling to use hard state power to directly purge the leadership across a wide range of institutions. A government like Viktor Orban’s who were actually willing to use state power this way could but it would have to happen across the west and be sustained. The one success the right has had that stands out to me is the successful appointments of judges in America, but again this is evidence to me that power is in the institutions and those running those institutions are more important than MPs.

Agree

Is the U.K. more or less left progressive than it was when the Tories were elected in 2010? I’d say more

I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, although finding it hard to stomach in places.

2023 vs 2010:

We have a privatised postal system that is on it's knees. Back in 2010 letters were delivered daily.

Our NHS is in an objectively even worse state than it was in 2010. Headline from the commons website:
"Performance declined between 2013 and 2018. Since the pandemic it has fallen further. In September 2023, 59.3% of patients waited under 62 days for treatment after an urgent GP referral, compared with an target of 85%.

There are less police officers. You can't go into a police station without an appointment and significant cause any more. They don't attend for "minor" crimes any more.

Care provision for the elderly and for the disabled has dropped off a cliff.

Those aren't consistent with a left progressive society to me.

And of course, women's rights are majorly rolled back and constantly under attack. I can see why it is said that T rights superceding women's rights is a leftist phenomenon, but I would also like to argue the points that women's rights being rolled back is very much anti-left-wing politics.

Freddder · Yesterday 19:26

Because they’re on the left and the establishment are on the left. It should be obvious to all that the U.K. has two tier policing.

Really? Because the Police arrested 90 of Timmy Robertson's hooligan mates, after they attacked the Police line, and didn't arrest as many of the pro Palestine marchers?