Feminism, rape, and Israel. Content warning.

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https://unherd.com/2023/11/metoo-unless-youre-a-jew/

I skipped parts of this article, specifically the first person account.

The rest of it I think is an important read.

If I can put this kindly - mmnews.tv is not a website I would recommend for unbiased news about Israel or Jews.

That is true the website is biased, I was poorly saying it is the only place I can find an embedded recording of her original testimony in Hebrew with English subtitles on as she said it on Israeli radio. I don’t know Hebrew so it’s difficult for me to find the original recording from a site that doesn’t have biased commentary all around it. I really only wanted people to listen to Yasmin herself.

If you’d prefer to watch her on a video- she says the same testimony to CNN in English, she repeats how the Hamas fighters that came to Kibbutz Be’eri intended to take hostages. It’s not to say all of the Hamas attackers had the same mission by the way, but from her testimony taking hostages was certainly one objective of the attack.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/24/hostage-hamas-released-israel-ebof-sot-vpx.cnn

Gracias, but it says not yet translated to English or Espanol. 😞

You mentioned the males ranged in age up to 59, there is only one 59 year old on the list. Could you do us a favour and see if Newsweek mistook the 59yr old on the list that they reported as Hanan Saleh Abdullah Barghouti, who is a woman in prison for suspicion of supporting terrorism, for her terrorist brother who is also in prison?

Do you think the reports I am reading are mistranslating things from Hebrew? I had a peek at a few other news reports in English and Spanish and there seem to be inconsistencies.

Sorry can't get the search function to work.
It does say it's the latest rather than absolute final version so there could be changes I suppose.

It’s ok.
This is what I got when I tried to get the translations.

Sorry I said you mentioned the men ranged in ages up to 59, that was TrulyWonderful. Perhaps the issue now is there are a few hurried translations floating around right now as I checked other reputable sites and the translations do have inconsistencies between them.

I think once it’s finalised, there will be an official translated version released.

A sobering thread on an event at the UN yesterday, showing footage of Hamas' attacks of October the 7th.

I am afraid that again, I skipped parts of it.

'Never Again happened and is happening again'

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaroun1/status/1726758010343551328

I'm posting this not because I can know if this is representative of all hostage families, or even women activists in Israel. But it seems more relevant to listen to women there, than in 3rd party countries who could be said (if one is cynical) are using real life events to score points against political opponents in their world.

Israeli Women Fight to Break Global Silence on Hamas' Sexual Violence

As in so many other arenas, when it comes to exposing Hamas' gender-based violence on October 7, Israeli citizens stepped in where their government left a gaping void

When rape victims recount the horrific details of their trauma over and over again in their quest for justice – to police, on the witness stand and, sometimes, to the media – they say it feels like being sexually assaulted all over again.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2023-11-15/ty-article/.highlight/israeli-women-fight-to-break-global-silence-on-hamas-sexual-violence/0000018b-d418-d168-a3ef-d5fa55000000

Behind paywall but has been archived at https://archive.ph - just paste in article link above to box provided.

I believe Israeli women.

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Watch this terrific speech by MEP Assita Kanko of Belgium calling out the silence of the feminist orgs; this woman is a boss!
https://x.com/Assita_Kanko/status/1727265544145911972?s=20Assita Kanko speech

She knows, she's originally from Burkina Faso and suffered FGM.

Thanks. Good speech. Where was that made, do you know?

'Today, I have a question. A pressing question. For some Western feminists. How can you remain silent, when women and girls are raped, tortured, their bodies carried around naked and spat on by bearded men shouting Allah Akbar? Then you can never call yourself a feminist again. Every day, including today, some Western hypocritical feminists should be ashamed of their silence on the horror that Hamas men inflicted to women and girls on 7 October. And that includes big names we were once proud of.

Why are their lips sealed and their hearts of stone when it comes to the excruciating pain of Jewish women? The MeToo movement and so-called intersectional feminists do not care about all women. If they remain silent, it means they have lied to us about their commitment to women's rights. Their actions support the oppressor, not the victims. Also the EU money does. Indirectly. Those who say nothing about these women and the hostages, should not be standing here and speaking about human rights. When you are under attack by terrorists, a cease fire is like raising your hands when you are being shot at. Perhaps it is worth considering that a real lasting cease fire will start with bringing back all the hostages to their homes and the rapists to justice.

Assita'

So sad the news about the hostages.

I still can’t comprehend the PP’s assertion that there is any equivalence in the Hammas barbarity and the casualties in a war fought among civilians.

But sorry we don’t want to go there again, but my mind reels against the deliberate, coordinated, planned barbarity of that attack against civilians.

I have a new Shero, I could not agree more.

Thanks for posting this. I am trying to see if there is anyway I can get down in time for this.

Thank you again 🙏🏻.

That is all so true

What an excellent speech

I think she was speaking at the EU parliament, I thought I posted the video, it's on her twitter.
my eyes are welling, to hear her speak up for us...

Thanks, yes, I watched the video, just didn't see anything to say where it was from. I presume the EU parliament, would be good to know at what time/event.

Thank you, it is on that twitter link, you may have to scroll down a little to get to the video.

The MeToo movement and so-called intersectional feminists do not care about all women. If they remain silent, it means they have lied to us about their commitment to women's rights.

Gosh, this 100%. I felt quite weepy watching that speech.

When you fail to distinguish or differentiate between one type of act and another then you end up losing your moral integrity - which to my mind is what is happening. Personally, finding it very difficult to retain respect for people who are unable or unwilling to differentiate for reasons of ideology or loyalty to tribal group think.

deliberate, coordinated, planned barbarity of that attack against civilians

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t failing to distinguish between deliberate attacks on civilians and accidental civilian casualties during attacks on enemy military.

It is my opinion that there is no moral difference between deliberate, coordinated, planned attacks on civilians regardless of whether you murder them by small arms fire or industrial scale means. Hamas did their attacks utilising small arms weapons. Of the attacks that were alleged to be deliberate targeting of civilians, (there have been some for which criminal cases have been filed with the ICC), the IDF utilised industrial scale weapons. All the attacks, including the Hamas attack, were done in the context of a long running conflict and occupation.

I think it’s getting into debates about which is a nicer or morally superior way to deliberately target civilians where a person loses all moral integrity. There is no morally better way. It is always immoral, indefensible and rightly a war crime.

I'm also contemplating going.

You are trying to use the Dresden Defence which was rejected at Nuremburg. One of the differences is intent. Hamas gave no warning and deliberately chose to commit atrocities against civilians, comitted rape and took hostages. These are war crimes.

They also use their civilian population as human shields, again a war crime.

Hamas broke the ceasefire deliberately Israel has a right to defend itself.

https://martinkramer.org/2023/10/26/nazi_case_for_hamas/

The fact that individual men killed civilians face to face is looked upon as terrible and is pictured as specially gruesome because the order was clearly given to kill these people; but I cannot morally evaluate a deed any better, a deed which makes it possible, by pushing a button, to kill a much larger number of civilians, men, women, and children.
SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf

The chief prosecutor, an American, called this particular iteration “exactly what a fanatical pseudo-intellectual SS-man might well believe.”)