DD feeling bad after mis-gendering sub teacher.

[ImDuranDuran]

On the way home this afternoon, DD14 explained how she is 'in trouble' after addressing her sub teacher as 'Sir' during a lesson.

It's the first time the teacher has subbed for the class.

Apparently teacher snapped back "Actually it's 'Miss' to you!".

I asked DD if the teacher had made any announcement at the beginning of the lesson regarding pronoun preference and she's adamant that they did not.

I'm concerned that DD now thinks she's in trouble and to be honest I'm pissed off. It was a genuine mistake and she's 14. She would never intentionally try to embarrass a teacher.

If the teacher had pulled her aside afterwards and explained the situation I might be more understanding.

Should I just leave it?

She shouldn't feel bad. The teacher did not indicate a desire to be addressed using a female title. Although I wonder if your dd might have missed it? Might the person have said "My name is Miss Jones" without saying something like "my pronouns are she/her".

As the saying goes love, you should never argue with idiots, hence I’m stepping away.

I’m more than happy to leave a thread full of ignorant, frankly nasty, as well as transphobic individuals. Hopefully the OP has taken some good advice from the thread as a whole.

So I guess that's a no on discussing the homophobia of the trans movement then? Flouncing while calling everyone names, how novel.

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She did nothing wrong, said person WAS a man. In great news, the wonderful glinner has tweeted this thread in a repost! Get on down to twitter, ladies!

@ImDuranDuran this is getting big on twitter. Great for the cause (because said teacher IS a man) but hoping it doesn't cause any problems for you IRL. We are all here for you.

No teacher should be putting their validation above a child's wellbeing or the smooth functioning of the school / education.

Most teachers get called all sorts and they don't bother correcting what are obvious mistakes because to do so would be inappropriate and unprofessional. The children are not there as validation tools - that's a safeguarding red flag (when teachers are using children in this way).

In this case, it's unclear if the teacher is imposing non sex-based pronouns. Either way it's unprofessional, but in the case where a teacher is trying to impose non-sex based (standard usage) pronouns it is compelled speech and forcing a political ideology on a child and it should be a sackable offence.

Thank you

A teacher shouldn’t be snapping at a student for using the wrong title unless it’s being done intentionally to be hurtful.
I remember teachers being called Mum, Dad and the males teachers being called Miss on occasion - it was never a big deal.

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For those of us who aren't on Twitter/X, it would be really helpful if the tweet confirming this information could be linked to or a screenshot posted on the thread.

Thanks in advance. 🙂

How did the teacher introduce themselves Ms/Miss Jones or Mr Jones. There is I suppose an expectation that pronouns will then follow suit, but these days that isn’t always a given. And if this teacher still presents in a male way then kids are going to respond accordingly by instinct and their familiarity with picking up cues.

And I certainly wouldn’t tell a girl off for using her spidey senses to know which sex a person is, that sort of innate understanding could save her life one day.

https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1724515109794419178

Did that work? If I need to screenshot I will have to wait till after school so my kids can do it for me as I don't know how to...😳

Thank you Cat, I can use that link to go to that specific tweet. Twitter/X's new settings are so annoying, non-members used to be able to read whole threads etc.

OP I think Posie said she would go with you to a school meeting about it, as back up if you want.

I'd give her head of year a call and explain what your daughter told you and ask if they can shed any light on what happened.

@ImDuranDuran fucking hell! You have to take her up on this!

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1724547148304220300

Oh my god!!! I was taken aback by the Glinner retweet, but Posie 😮😮

Now all I need is JKR and I'll die a very happy woman!

Unfortunately DD doesn't want me to act any further, in fear of repercussions and probably just being an embarrassing mum 'making a scene'. So I'm stuck between a rock and a very hard place here

Will she be a hero or a villain if you parade Kellie-Jay Keen through the school? Are all the kids woke or are they sensible?

This is the first instance in her years at the school that she has mentioned anything pronoun-related, so I'm leaning (in hope) on the sensible side.

Oh no, you make a scene. This is the TIME FOR SCENES.

In that case you might make her the school celeb if you bring in Posie Parker!

Men who go into schools and teach girls that they shouldn't use their wits to recognize adult males do not have good intentions.

When the police give safety advice to children, they say if you're out and about and get, frightened ask for help from a woman with children.

That's because it's good advice. And to follow it, children need to know that women are female.

Men shaming girls for recognizing the sex of adults do not belong anywhere near children.

I’m a biological female, former teacher. I have short hair, quite a thick waist which kinda hides the fact that I have breasts - and not very big ones. I was mis-gendered a number of times while I was supply teaching (1998-2001) despite the fact that I always introduced myself as Mrs “notateacheranymore”

It was embarrassing for me so sometimes my reaction was a little more irritable than might have been warranted.

Just another perspective.