New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people

[IwantToRetire]

Thought I would post this, as it is a question that comes up on occassions.

Globally, at least 320 trans and gender-diverse people were reported murdered between 1 October 2022 and 30 September 2023.

Globally, 48% of murdered trans people whose occupation is known were sex workers. That figure jumps to more than three-quarters - some 78% - in Europe.

On the continent as well as in the wider global community, racism-motivated murders have risen 15% from last year - up 65% in 2022 to 80% now.

The vast majority of victims identified as trans women or trans feminine people and most of the murdered people were under 25 years old.

At a time of significant conflict globally, the fact that 45% of trans people reported murdered in Europe were migrants or refugees is especially stark.

TGEU say the data surrounding the murders suggest there are concerning trends when it comes to the intersections of misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and whorephobia.

The majority of victims were Black and trans women of colour, and trans sex workers - many killed in Europe were migrants or refugees too.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/trans-murders-remain-consistently-high-052004682.html

For me I think the really key message from that is that, if you are a trans person just trying to live your life, as opposed to an activist with an agenda, it isn't actually helpful or beneficial in any way to believe that you are more vulnerable than you actually are.

As a woman, there have been times in my life when I have worried a lot about being attacked or raped. These were mainly times in my life when I would go out drinking, go home by myself on public transport, and couldn't afford a taxi. At one point, when I was about 22, there was a spate of attacks against young women in broad daylight in the neighbourhood where I was living, mostly alone because my flatmate was a medical student and frequently away on hospital placements. I remember pretty much feeling scared to go anywhere. Even now, there might be times when I am out walking somewhere on my own at night and I feel vulnerable, although this doesn't happen often because I don't go out that much, I have a car, and I live in a highly populated, well lit area with low crime rates and wouldn't feel particularly unsafe even on the rare occasions where I did need to walk somewhere alone after dark.

My experience is that being afraid that something bad will happen to you, that you might be attacked or even killed in violent circumstances when you are doing absolutely nothing wrong and just trying to live your life, is really debilitating. It really interferes with your enjoyment of life. Of course it's important to be safety conscious, but I think it is also important to be rational and to understand that whilst taking precautions is sensible, the risk of these things happening to you is actually pretty low.

So if you belong to a particular group and you have been led to believe that the risk of these awful things happening to you is much higher because you are part of that group, logically it should be helpful and should improve your life and your mental health to learn that this is not actually true. Which I think is what this person found out when they dug down into the statistics.

Why do you think it is an unpleasant thread? Surely accurate representation of statistics is important and showing trans individuals are at lower risk than the population at large is a good thing? As is identifying the high risks associated with prostitution?

As has already been pointed out, it's a good thing if trans people are actually relatively safe from homicide.

Surely everyone should be happy?

How is it "unpleasant" to talk about this?

Can you explain yourself here, or are you just being unpleasant yourself?

Other people have explained the "point" for you.

Why is it that those who claim to care the most about trans people seem to be disappointed that they aren't being murdered more often?

Surely they should be happy to learn how safe trans people actually are in most countries.

@sanluca

Women: here are the arguments why this group is not vulnerable so there is no reason to change the law and women can object

While of course it's a good thing to look at the homicide statistics and respond to false claims, I think the better reason trans women shouldn't be in women's spaces is simply because they aren't women and it will cause problems for actual women.

It's not whether they are vulnerable or not.

In fact they may be vulnerable in certain ways. Like higher use of mental health services. Or I'm sure some trans people do get horrifically bullied, just as some bullies will pick on the disabled or someone overweight.

Or yes, they may be genuinely vulnerable in a men's prison. That means they should get extra protection and possibly a special wing of the prison, but it shouldn't mean they have any business being in a women's prison which will obviously just create new problems.

I think there are many many reason transwomen should not be treated as women in situations where biological sex matters and it is ridiculous that women have even counter the arguments on why women don't matter as much as transwomen do.

But we do and even more important we have to do it in a non emotional way to even get listened. Otherwise we get shot down as hysterical.

So whilst transactivists use emotive language such as 'genocide, literal violence, most vulnerable', women have to counter that with statistics and actual hard facts. Hence the importance of this thread.

Why is it that those who claim to care the most about trans people seem to be disappointed that they aren't being murdered more often?

I don’t know perhaps you should ask them? The ones claiming trans people are particularly vulnerable or targeted? The ones trying to present this figure as indicative of high rates of murder?

Perhaps TRAs are disappointed when it goes against their preferred narrative, in the same way that they tell children they will commit suicide if not affirmed despite all evidence to the contrary?

I have asked them. Pearls were clutched and toys were thrown and much spluttering occurred, but no actual answer was given.

I think unpleasant means inconvenient.

how dare people discuss statistics that don’t reinforce the activist agenda. Better tell people how unpleasant it is to discuss this stuff.

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It highlights the fact that Trans people are actually one of the safest demographics in the world and just how much more dangerous it is to be born female!

Sorry for the tone of my response, I muddled you with another poster.

Yes, especially as transgender people often have poor mental health (thinking of my own teen here) and breaking negative thought patterns is key part of CBT.

Teenagers with gender distress/ gender dysphoria are already suffering and being told that they are perpetually at risk of being murdered by transphobic strangers or that 41% of all trans people will commit suicide and that they themselves will probably will not live past the age of 35 (all genuine transactivist talking points, all false, either based on results from flawed surveys or on real crime statistics but real crime statistics specific to South American gang members, not white, middle class teens from the Home Counties) makes those mental health problems worse.

Vulnerable people, including vulnerable teenagers are being subjected to a sort of reverse CBT, they are being told that they are perpetually in danger and that any and all difficulties transgender people face are entirely external, that the whole of society must change before they can be happy

‘most detrans people only detrans because their families won’t accept them’ (when actual detransitioners say it’s because they realised they were chasing an impossible dream and would never really become the opposite sex or because they realised that the medical and surgical interventions were harming them, not helping them)

‘transgender people commit suicide because the NHS waiting lists are so long’ (suicide rates are actually higher after the transition pathway is complete).

‘this transgender person was murdered as a hate crime’ (murder of transgender people is thankfully rare but when it does occur, the motives of perpetrators are as myriad as the motives for murders of non-transgender people, domestic violence, sadistic johns killing prostituted/trafficked transsexuals, gang tit for tat, robberies gone wrong, to cover up evidence of other crimes etc etc).

‘transgender youth have higher rates of homelessness because their parents kick them out’ (when really they are encouraged to ditch their concerned parents and run away to live with their ‘glitter families’).

’transgender people are underemployed and living in poverty’ (the proposed solution is to overthrow the government and implement luxury communism, or to get ‘cis people to pay reparations via venmo’ as opposed to say, studying for a career and/or getting a job)

The constant negative self-talk and the positioning of the locus of control as entirely external and societal, along with a refusal to believe that their lives will improve without x occurring first (x = everyone agrees that biological sex isn’t real and that humans can change sex at will/homelessness is solved/climate change is reversed/everywhere globally is thoroughly decolonised but also all national borders are erased) is pretty much the perfect recipe for destroying a person’s mental health.

Anyone who actually gives a shiny shit about vulnerable people with Gender Dysphoria should want these harmful, pervasive myths to be debunked.

’transgender people are underemployed and living in poverty’ (the proposed solution is to overthrow the government and implement luxury communism, or to get ‘cis people to pay reparations via venmo’ as opposed to say, studying for a career and/or getting a job)

There is a link between autism and trans, individuals with autism generally have lower rates of employment. It's all a bit chicken and egg.

"constant negative self-talk and the positioning of the locus of control as entirely external and societal, along with a refusal to believe that their lives will improve without x occurring first" actually sounds like a brilliant description of 21st-century fragility (trying very hard not to mention snowflakes here).

It would be nice if oppression hierarchies could go away with gender ideology. It sometimes feels as if trans messaging gave birth to competitive helplessness, though I'm sure it's more of a self-feeding loop.