What's going on with Genspect?

[MalagaNights]

I've seen Stella O'Malley tweet about being unfairly attacked.
I've seen a weird exchange from James Lindsay about feminists trying to take down Genspect.

But I can't work out what's happened or who is fighting with who.

Any ideas?

I must admit I find the whole discussion about safeguarding - with its emphasis on children - perplexing.

Perhaps there's some evidence that men with AGP are all a terrible threat to childrens' well being, and the two must be kept apart from each other at all costs. I suspect not, but perhaps . . .

But that's irrelevant, because the conference was not aimed at children, and there's absolutely no reason to believe that children would have been there.

Contrary to what some have claimed here, Genspect's mission statement is not specifically about children. It's about gender. Yes, obviously how society's attitudes towards gender, treatment for gender dysphoria and so on affects children is going to be a major part of that. So for any situation where Genspect is going to be directly interacting with children, it would be reasonable to assume they have a robust child safeguarding policy in place.

But a conference like this is not such a situation.

@EatMyHead accounts and information about directors etc should be available on the companies house website. Or charities commission if a charity. I could not find them on either. You may have more luck.

This is my concern too WarriorN.

I know I keep going back to that Twitter Spaces with SOM that was posted a while back in the thread but it's a perfect example of the kind of thing we're talking about.

A concern is raised and instead of calm reflection and discussion those bringing up the concern are met with minimisation, dismissal and aggressive defensiveness of the "How very DARE you!!!" variety. It really is quite the eye opener.

Genspect's accounts are on cro.ie
like if they were in the uk they would be on Companies House.
That is where accounts go.
Genspect operates as a cuideachta faoi theorainn ráthaíochta, a company limited by guarantee.
Its accounts are up to date.

Were you looking on the appropriate Irish site? They're registered there I believe, not in the UK.

Someone said further up the thread that they found the information quickly and easily.

Thank you. So someone tell me what exactly is the problem then?

Oh sorry, this must be more of that "pure garbage". Just can't help myself.

@EatMyHead repeated here especially for you. It should explain the importance of safeguarding. I'm astounded you find the protection of children "perplexing".

This is how Genspect defines itself on its website:
Genspect is an international, non-partisan, interdisciplinary professional and educational organisation devoted to advancing a healthy approach to sex and gender.
By 'educational' I don't think it means schools, so it doesn't interact with children.

And this is what it says about safeguarding:
Genspect’s position on safeguarding.. is about protecting those who are not able to give informed consent to life-changing decisions: overwhelmingly, children. This aim is central to everything we do, including our goal to prevent ideological interference with empirical research into gender distress, our advocacy of non-medicalized approaches to addressing gender distress, our support groups for families of young people experiencing gender distress, our dedication to raising awareness of the high incidence of comorbidities and same sex attraction in young people reporting gender distress and our criticism of gender-affirming models of care. About — Genspect

Their objectives/ 'original aims' are also listed on that page.

I find it useful to go back to what organisations say, when assessing what they do.

So is the idea that simply accepting the presence of an overtly AGP man at the conference was dangerous to children - indirectly, even though there were no children there - because it "gives credence to the concept of gender identity"?

Just trying to understand here.

No we did not

Can anyone remember the name of the woman, she was a (ex?) social worker with a child, who did some videos about safeguarding and gender ideology probably about six or seven years ago?

Her surname might have been McKenzie, but it's not Lisa McKenzie.

She told an anecdote about how during her training, someone had made a comment about 'well, how do we know what's normal anyway?' and the tutor had spelt out very clearly why adults knowing what's 'normal' and not permitting their judgements to be clouded was absolutely central to safeguarding.

It's not about one person being at one conference. It's about a clear, coherent and thought through approach to what is necessary to keep children safe. Predators groom adults before they groom children - that's how they get access.

Not meant to be off topic. I'm just trying to understand what's going on with Genspect.

Lisa Muggeridge. She got hounded out of everywhere when she should have been hired by pretty much everyone.

An example of being wary about who you are platforming is Julia Malott.

In the last conference, a shining example of a totally normal 'trans woman' just attending a conference. Nothing to see here.

Months later, advocating for men taking drugs to breastfeed.

Yeah. Perfectly normal.

These guys are master manipulators, and want to get in at the start to influence at the highest level. If you are in denial about it, you're gonna get shafted.

Thank you! Yes Lisa Muggeridge. Saw right through it from the start.

Why did my post get deleted?

Wasn't that post just one line answering a question?

Ritchie Heron commenting today:

You don't help us. We help you.

You email us asking to speak to journalists and if we want to join in on conversion therapy style interventions by turning up to strangers houses.

x.com/tullipr/status/1823598967122485262?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Thanks WarriorN. Looking at that thread:

x.com/tullipr/status/1823613351005401583?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/tullipr/status/1823615588977033652?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

And this is the article

*LEAD FEATURE

‘For detransitioners, using the NHS is like going back to the scene of the attack’*

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1791/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1791/pub/1791/page/49/article/NaN

There's more been added since I saw it

They treat us like beggars can't be choosers, especially if we kick back on unethical practices. Or to try resolve issues raised.

So many of us have been screamed at down the phone, it's a massive concern. (Heron)

I think that's what you've linked to R but I'm not sure

These tweets from Ritchie are very concerning.

Yes. I hope he elaborates. I feel a straw on a camels' back has broken...

He seems to have deleted this post but I can still find the others