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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets

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Justme56 · 11/11/2023 08:36

Link to https://x.com/wearefaircop/status/1723241217536758023?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Attached the transcript from the interview- not sure if posted in order.

Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets
Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets
Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets
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Rafalww · 12/11/2023 23:46

NitroNine · 12/11/2023 23:33

@Rafalww
The protected characteristic that pertains to gender is that of gender reassignment. Not that the definition thereof makes very much sense; but it is still distinct from the nebulous concept of “gender identity”.

OK I stand corrected it’s gender reassignment that is protected. But the individual gets to assign and choose their own gender. So I don’t see how this is any different in practice.

Rafalww · 12/11/2023 23:57

SinnerBoy · 12/11/2023 23:20

No I don’t see your point at all I’m afraid. If you have exceptions to free speech, I.e free speech BUT… then

So, you're all cool with scumbags following my wife home from the Metro, chanting racist abuse at her, because to stop them would infringe on their rights of free speech.

OK, I see what you are.

Nah following a person in the streets is an action, following someone home goes beyond just saying words doesn’t it?

To be fair I have only ever seen leftists engage in this sort of horrible behaviour though, like the disgusting mob that recently accosted Michael Gove. Fortunately the right are better than that.

LarkLane · 13/11/2023 00:08

To add to Nitro's post, just if anyone's lurking and wondering.
Hate crime, however, omits SEX
To potentially constitute a hate crime, one of these factors must be present.

  • Race
  • Religion
  • Disability
  • Sexual orientation
  • Transgender identity
https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime So Freda Bloggs can call me a Fucking Nazi Frigid Bitch at an LWS meeting. Not a hate crime, ( Possbly a Pubic Order Offence if I have a distressed wobble, but Women at these meetings are gutsy, and don't play the smelling salts game)

If I then shout back to Freda Bloggs You are Fred, a man in a frock, and no Lesbian
Then Bloggs involves the cops, and claims to be the victim of a hate crime. and sooo distressed.

Hate crime | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime

Rafalww · 13/11/2023 01:05

@LarkLane thanks for that. That’s pretty much how I understood it but you have confirmed it.

it’s probably a good thing that it omits sex to be honest, if it included sex I imagine that a lot of feminists might be getting a knock on their door for making broad generalisations about men as group that someone somewhere found offensive and believed to be hateful (I.e motivated by hateful thoughts).

NitroNine · 13/11/2023 01:35

Rafalww
If you read the definition, for the protection to be extended, certain conditions must be met. Now, exactly how one would determine they have been, who knows - but they exclude people who would be included by using “gender identity”: those who declare themselves “cis-gender”; the supermajority of non-binary people; & indeed most of those who state they hold any of the 100+ gender identities other than TW/TM.

I have only ever seen leftists engage in this sort of horrible behaviour though, like the disgusting mob that recently accosted Michael Gove. Fortunately the right are better than that.
But that’s simply untrue. Most of the arrests - the “vast majority” according to the police - on Saturday were counter-protestors, characterised by the PM as “EDL thugs”. ERWT is the most significant terror threat to the UK. LASIT, by contrast, is considered low threat.

SinnerBoy · 13/11/2023 01:56

To be fair I have only ever seen leftists engage in this sort of horrible behaviour though, like the disgusting mob that recently accosted Michael Gove.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with that in the strongest possible terms.

What about the anti vax blokes accosting Whitty and the BBC presenters? Or the ones at Timmy Robertson rallies? You know, actual right wing racists.

I don't dispute that left wing extremists can be verbally abusive and the same online.

dunBle · 13/11/2023 03:28

Or the racist arseholes at Waterloo station yesterday.
https://twitter.com/MikeyTheBuddie/status/1723479513009377376

It'll be interesting to see if the guy in the Arsenal shirt gets banned by the club.

https://twitter.com/MikeyTheBuddie/status/1723479513009377376

Rafalww · 13/11/2023 03:46

NitroNine · 13/11/2023 01:35

Rafalww
If you read the definition, for the protection to be extended, certain conditions must be met. Now, exactly how one would determine they have been, who knows - but they exclude people who would be included by using “gender identity”: those who declare themselves “cis-gender”; the supermajority of non-binary people; & indeed most of those who state they hold any of the 100+ gender identities other than TW/TM.

I have only ever seen leftists engage in this sort of horrible behaviour though, like the disgusting mob that recently accosted Michael Gove. Fortunately the right are better than that.
But that’s simply untrue. Most of the arrests - the “vast majority” according to the police - on Saturday were counter-protestors, characterised by the PM as “EDL thugs”. ERWT is the most significant terror threat to the UK. LASIT, by contrast, is considered low threat.

the “vast majority” according to the police - on Saturday were counter-protestors, characterised by the PM as “EDL thugs”.

Thats because the police are political and not impartial. And the PM is a liberal.

Police officers detaining a man in the road, holding him to the ground, while other officers stand nearby in a line

London protests: Seven charged and 145 arrested as police appeals continue

Nine officers were injured and 145 arrested, most of whom police said were right-wing counter-protesters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67398933

Rafalww · 13/11/2023 03:53

SinnerBoy · 13/11/2023 01:56

To be fair I have only ever seen leftists engage in this sort of horrible behaviour though, like the disgusting mob that recently accosted Michael Gove.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with that in the strongest possible terms.

What about the anti vax blokes accosting Whitty and the BBC presenters? Or the ones at Timmy Robertson rallies? You know, actual right wing racists.

I don't dispute that left wing extremists can be verbally abusive and the same online.

There are very few right wing racists, far fewer than the number of leftist anti-semites. The left are just immoral and disgusting. The political left in the U.K. is riddled with anti-semitism.

Froodwithatowel · 13/11/2023 08:12

SinnerBoy · 13/11/2023 01:56

To be fair I have only ever seen leftists engage in this sort of horrible behaviour though, like the disgusting mob that recently accosted Michael Gove.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with that in the strongest possible terms.

What about the anti vax blokes accosting Whitty and the BBC presenters? Or the ones at Timmy Robertson rallies? You know, actual right wing racists.

I don't dispute that left wing extremists can be verbally abusive and the same online.

There is the diagram that shows the extreme left and extreme right have actually circled around and met up.

The bottom line is that this 'extreme right' phrase is often weaponised by the left who when they say 'left' mean 'good people' and when they say 'right' mean 'bad people'. It's a major problem that the left have. I won't go into the many problems the right also have; the entire political class is currently one large chocolate teapot.

The issue isn't whether the person votes labour or tory. The issue is the extremism.

Just as the issue is not that a person self identifies as trans, the issue is the behaviour and harm towards others.

It's the entitlement, selfishness, narcissism, absolute lack of boundaries or capacity for social contract, desire to smash things and injure/sexually assault people, desire to do whatever impulse strikes without accountability or responsibility, and desire to enjoy other people's shock, disgust and distress that is the issue.

How the person votes or chooses to name their inner sense of gender at the time is irrelevant.

Until of course a large powerful and rich political lobby forms around this behaviour and insists it's an integral, normal part of being LGBT and that they speak for every LGBT person when they say this, (excepting all the LGBT people they've threatened and excluded from LGBT spaces and activities for disagreeing with them.) Then it becomes relevant because the behaviours are being forced into law and the bloody police force ffs co opted into being a private enforcement unit for an extremist religious belief, so said people can do their thing and no one's allowed to say no or not be a prop on command.

The question in both the 'extreme left' and 'extreme right' and 'extremist political lobby' is: what vehicle is this providing them with to carry out the behaviours they want to indulge in? Why is it so very useful? And who is it who is benefitting?

RayonSunrise · 13/11/2023 08:31

Speaking of the extreme right, they're getting bolder. Yesterday my son was part of a Remembrance service at our local cenotaph and some idiot skinhead drove by in a jeep with "never forget" and a bunch of flags and skulls all over it, gesturing out the window and yelling about Muslims.

This is why I have no time for people who try to weaponise the fight for women's rights to support their own personal choice of political tribe. I appreciate that it's tempting to believe the word is simple and just picking a side will solve all problems, but it doesn't.

pickledandpuzzled · 13/11/2023 08:57

I’m frustrated whenever this conversation gets bogged down into weaponised right/left accusations.

This impacts all women, regardless of the R/L leaning affiliation.

Appallingly badly behaved people exist in both tribes, and all you achieve with the mouthy finger pointing is convince people like me to stay well away from tribal politics and vote for whoever seems sensible- potentially on one issue only.

By the way @Froodwithatowel , you really are. Cool, too.

PorcelinaV · 13/11/2023 11:12

@RayonSunrise

This is why I have no time for people who try to weaponise the fight for women's rights to support their own personal choice of political tribe. I appreciate that it's tempting to believe the word is simple and just picking a side will solve all problems, but it doesn't.

I haven't really noticed people doing this?

Around here, people that think the Tories are better than alternatives when it comes to trans-activism, may still think the Tories have been pretty rubbish on the issue, and have to take some of the blame for not standing up to it more. And they may not be fans of the Tories on various other issues either.

LarkLane · 13/11/2023 11:28

@WarriorN Baz from ThroughBWEyes has taken it up. Probably you have picked it up already, but good that the fans are being informed about the behaviour of the club in all of this.
https://twitter.com/bazza080808/status/1723708674009378944

https://twitter.com/bazza080808/status/1723708674009378944

PorcelinaV · 13/11/2023 11:35

The thing with calling the far left "antisemitic", is of course they are going to defend themselves that they, "are just being critical of Israel's oppression and no government should be above criticism".

And of course, in theory, it's a true point that you should be able to be critical of any government. But then people are going to reply along the lines that obsessing over the world's only Jewish state, and basically wanting to see it destroyed, and sympathising with the lunatic terrorists of Hamas, does look kind of suspicious as antisemitism anyway.

The thing with calling the far right "racist", is of course they may defend themselves (depending on the group in question) that they, "don't hate anyone for race, but are merely being critical of an extremist religious ideology, and no ideology should be above criticism". And then people may reply that they are being unfair to the religion and it's a disguised form of racism.

So it does get subjective.

WarriorN · 13/11/2023 11:56

Thanks Lark. I hate football so no I wasn't aware Grin

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/11/2023 12:17

A follow up letter from FairCop pointing out the number of KCs anxious to act pro bono in taking this further:

https://twitter.com/bruernrob/status/1724017224430616899

https://twitter.com/bruernrob/status/1724017224430616899

Rightsraptor · 13/11/2023 12:29

That letter from Fair Cop is an absolute cracker! I can't believe PC Lyon returned to A's home a second time and after being warned by Fair Cop. God, I'd love to see this play out in court.

WarriorN · 13/11/2023 12:31

Jfc

SinnerBoy · 13/11/2023 12:33

There are very few right wing racists, far fewer than the number of leftist anti-semites. The left are just immoral and disgusting.

Facts and figures to prove your ridiculous claim, please.

Both sets of extremists are reprehensible, yet you seem perfectly happy with one lot.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 13/11/2023 12:38

Is this a male officer? He must enjoy traffic duty.

SinnerBoy · 13/11/2023 12:40

He might enjoy litter picking for the council, before too much longer.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 13/11/2023 12:54

Good. We have a dreadful epidemic of people not locking up after their dogs around here.

WarriorN · 13/11/2023 12:59

The rats around St James's Park have always been bigger and bolder; that would be a much better use of his time.

LarkLane · 13/11/2023 13:05

That Fair Cop letter is a work of art.
Brilliant.

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