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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets

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Justme56 · 11/11/2023 08:36

Link to https://x.com/wearefaircop/status/1723241217536758023?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Attached the transcript from the interview- not sure if posted in order.

Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets
Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets
Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets
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Mmmnotsure · 12/11/2023 11:57

Congratulations to Northumbria Police on their level of public engagement.

Now past the half-million mark - 525k views - though (sadly) only 114 likes.

LarkLane · 12/11/2023 12:36

I'm almost tempted to start a twitter account - just to be able to comment on Northumbria's No Comment.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/11/2023 12:40

Well as a taxpayer and a citizen I find it alarming, distressing, causing anxiety and offensive that the police behave in this way. And I'm betting my alarm, distress, offence and anxiety is far greater than any man who believes he has a female gender identity has when called a man. What they have put this women through is state bullying and intimidation. They threatening her into not speaking freely and coerced language, and the solicitor is apparently going along with this whilst noting it's actually illegal.

At the same time the police failed to do anything about Wayne Couzens flashing at MacDonalds, which was reported with video evidence. This is an actual crime. They failed to do anything about an actual crime. If they had done something about this, he may not have been free to murder Sarah Everard.

The police are more unfit for purpose than a chocolate teapot (which presumably you can still eat after it's melted...

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/11/2023 12:43

Who can I report my distress, anxiety, alarm and offence to about Northumbria Police's threatening and unlawful behaviour which constitutes hate speech (and actual action) against a lesbian?

I mean, is there anyone? It's probably worth doing even if it's filed in the bin. It's funny how they know whose distress and offence to take seriously - almost as if inner gender feels are less important than observable biological sex.

ArthurbellaScott · 12/11/2023 12:45

good question.

'Complaints can be made about general standards of policing, operational policies/procedures and individuals who work for Northumbria Police. This includes serving officers, members of police staff, contractors and volunteers.You must have been directly affected by the issue you are complaining about. You cannot make a complaint if you have only heard about the actions of an officer, police staff member, contractor or volunteer by a 3rd party. Similarly you cannot make a formal complaint if you have only viewed the actions via video or online post of an incident where you were not present.'

So how do we complain about the problem that the police are intimidating a protected group (lesbians) and contributing to misogyny by this action?

https://beta.northumbria.police.uk/our-services/feedback/compliments-and-complaints/

Compliments and complaints

https://beta.northumbria.police.uk/our-services/feedback/compliments-and-complaints

ArthurbellaScott · 12/11/2023 12:47

https://beta.northumbria.police.uk/latest-news/2023/november/new-head-of-professional-standards-department-reaffirms-commitment-to-ensure-everyone-held-to-highest-of-standards/

'The new head of our Professional Standards Department has reaffirmed the Force’s commitment to ensure everyone is held to the highest of standards.
Detective Superintendent Donna Rose has taken up the position, after almost 26 years in policing.
She has outlined our ongoing proactive approach to tackling unacceptable behaviour.
“As a Force we are determined to be outstanding in the service we deliver – and that starts with all officers, staff and volunteers upholding the high standards rightly expected of us.
“It is an honour and a privilege to be a police officer, and upon joining we take an oath to serve with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality.
“Sadly, as we have seen both nationally and locally, there are times when individuals fail to meet these qualities. In the more serious cases, this can lead to criminal action being taken against those same people who made a commitment to uphold the law.
“We absolutely recognise the impact such incidents can have on the communities we are here to protect.
“These cases are also felt sharply within police – and we too are just as disgusted and equally feel let down.
“We have made a real commitment to build on the trust and confidence we have worked so hard to earn with our communities.
“As we have previously made clear, this includes being relentless in our pursuit to root out those individuals who don’t share our values – and who ultimately have no place within policing.
“We therefore expect to see a continued rise in the number of cases going through misconduct proceedings.
“This shows the extensive work we are doing in this area is having a positive impact, with people increasingly recognising when someone has acted inappropriately and further highlighting the culture within the organisation where they have the confidence to come forward.
“It is then important that we act – taking those concerns seriously.
“When someone falls below the standards expected and which they made a commitment to uphold we will take appropriate action.
“The overwhelming majority of officers, staff and volunteers at Northumbria Police come to work to make a positive difference to people’s lives – often going above and beyond to provide the very best service possible.
“We are determined to ensure their efforts are not overshadowed by the actions of those who do not share these same values.”'

New head of Professional Standards Department reaffirms commitment to ensure everyone held to highest of standards

https://beta.northumbria.police.uk/latest-news/2023/november/new-head-of-professional-standards-department-reaffirms-commitment-to-ensure-everyone-held-to-highest-of-standards

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/11/2023 12:48

Brefugee · 12/11/2023 09:08

people need to start reporting those tweets to the police. Someone writes that to you, or in reply to one of your tweets? report directly to the police

Plenty of women have done this: Posie has mentioned how she's reported threats to the police and they've done nothing. Also JKR (I think she got a bit more action, but she has a team of lawyers on hand). Also, Caroline Farrow has had actual threats and intimidation such as takeaways being sent to her house in an 'we know where you live' style message and we all know what's happened there.

I'm not saying it's not worth doing just that there is evidence women reporting actual death threats / stalking / physical intimidation against them results in zero action. See also Wayne Couzens and the McDonalds employees who reported his actual crime of flashing with nothing happening. I think some female MPs have had a similar experience in getting very little / no action when they've reported threats against them.

Almost as if the police know the sex of the complainants and are prioritising accordingly. How very transphobic of them.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/11/2023 12:52

Wait, what?

Similarly you cannot make a formal complaint if you have only viewed the actions via video or online post of an incident where you were not present.'

But the 'misgendering' referred to in the interview was an incident where the person being misgendered wasn't present. That seems incredibly unfair and wrong.

So abusive males can weaponise the police to abuse by proxy if women say things they don't like, but no-one can complain about this unless they're physically in the police interview? That's convenient for abusers.

Brefugee · 12/11/2023 13:06

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/11/2023 12:48

Plenty of women have done this: Posie has mentioned how she's reported threats to the police and they've done nothing. Also JKR (I think she got a bit more action, but she has a team of lawyers on hand). Also, Caroline Farrow has had actual threats and intimidation such as takeaways being sent to her house in an 'we know where you live' style message and we all know what's happened there.

I'm not saying it's not worth doing just that there is evidence women reporting actual death threats / stalking / physical intimidation against them results in zero action. See also Wayne Couzens and the McDonalds employees who reported his actual crime of flashing with nothing happening. I think some female MPs have had a similar experience in getting very little / no action when they've reported threats against them.

Almost as if the police know the sex of the complainants and are prioritising accordingly. How very transphobic of them.

Then we/they need to make more noise about it. It is absolutely appalling

Rightsraptor · 12/11/2023 14:23

I've just read an article in the DT online (paywall, never did understand 12ft ladder or whatever it is called) stating that the woman in this case first knew about this investigation into her tweeting when Newcastle United Football Club told her it had suspended her membership. If I've read it right, that is. Gobsmacked.

She was interviewed by the police only last Friday. So the cops somehow knew she was an NUFC supporter, they told NUFC, NUFC told her that they had suspended her membership and only then did the police knock on her door.

Oh, and the investigation is now closed.

I really hope I've got that wrong, because this is not my country any longer. I do not want to live under this regime.

Rafalww · 12/11/2023 14:35

SinnerBoy · 11/11/2023 23:24

I'm fine with action against actual perpetrators of hate speech; racist rabble rousers, people calling for Muslims to be deported, people who harass disabled people and the like.

I'm not fine with the Police abusing it, to falsely arrest and threaten people who state scientific facts, which are legally protected philosophical beliefs.

Do you see my point?

No I don’t see your point at all I’m afraid. If you have exceptions to free speech, I.e free speech BUT… then guess what happens, the BUT becomes whatever those in positions of authority want the BUT to be. Sovereign is he who makes the exception.

When lefties called for hate speech laws did they think their morals and their beliefs and ideals would be the ones favoured by the powers that be in perpetuity or something? Were they really that naive? It’s hard to believe it.

popebishop · 12/11/2023 14:47

No I don’t see your point at all I’m afraid. If you have exceptions to free speech, I.e free speech BUT… then guess what happens, the BUT becomes whatever those in positions of authority want the BUT to be. Sovereign is he who makes the exception.

So everyone needs to agree that something - any action, regardless of context - is either always legal, or always illegal, because someone might change the boundary? So, eg drinking any amount of alcohol at any point before driving should always be a crime, because someone might increase or decrease the limits?

Or is it just verbal and written speech you are talking about?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/11/2023 14:52

Rightsraptor · 12/11/2023 14:23

I've just read an article in the DT online (paywall, never did understand 12ft ladder or whatever it is called) stating that the woman in this case first knew about this investigation into her tweeting when Newcastle United Football Club told her it had suspended her membership. If I've read it right, that is. Gobsmacked.

She was interviewed by the police only last Friday. So the cops somehow knew she was an NUFC supporter, they told NUFC, NUFC told her that they had suspended her membership and only then did the police knock on her door.

Oh, and the investigation is now closed.

I really hope I've got that wrong, because this is not my country any longer. I do not want to live under this regime.

I saw that - and noticed a KC commenting on X that he'd like to get involved in the case. My guess is that post Forstater, Newcastle will soon be doing an embarrassed reverse ferret:

https://twitter.com/RoddyQC/status/1723425040702562594

https://twitter.com/RoddyQC/status/1723425040702562594

RethinkingLife · 12/11/2023 14:52

Rightsraptor · 12/11/2023 14:23

I've just read an article in the DT online (paywall, never did understand 12ft ladder or whatever it is called) stating that the woman in this case first knew about this investigation into her tweeting when Newcastle United Football Club told her it had suspended her membership. If I've read it right, that is. Gobsmacked.

She was interviewed by the police only last Friday. So the cops somehow knew she was an NUFC supporter, they told NUFC, NUFC told her that they had suspended her membership and only then did the police knock on her door.

Oh, and the investigation is now closed.

I really hope I've got that wrong, because this is not my country any longer. I do not want to live under this regime.

I'm sure that I'm wrong, but that sounds like an integration of facial recognition technology with social capital assessments. As practised by some of the less open or democratic regimes.

I must be wrong.

Froodwithatowel · 12/11/2023 15:04

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/11/2023 12:43

Who can I report my distress, anxiety, alarm and offence to about Northumbria Police's threatening and unlawful behaviour which constitutes hate speech (and actual action) against a lesbian?

I mean, is there anyone? It's probably worth doing even if it's filed in the bin. It's funny how they know whose distress and offence to take seriously - almost as if inner gender feels are less important than observable biological sex.

There is around here somewhere, the footage of a well known women's rights activist, half of a lesbian couple, who talks to camera - I think on the day that Posie was last interviewed for the sin of being blonde and having views that made men cross.

She explains that she has, twice, reported offenses to the police that were committed by trans activists. She is lesbian and black; two protected characteristics, and one of the reports involved her showing her phone to a police officer where the activist's communications were recorded, including references to monkeys and other straight out racial abuse.

The policeman shrugged.

It isn't 'law', because law is applied equally and impartially to set standards. As demonstrated in this incident: it doesn't matter what happened, what matters is whether or not you matter. And a lesbian black woman, particularly one standing reprehensibly representing a desire for women's equality and access in public, was not seen as entitled to the protection of the law as it stands. Want to see what real oppression looks like instead of the fun kind? There it is. When you're told you're not entitled to the law because you're not the right kind of person and not behaving nicely enough to deserve it.

Which makes this nothing more interesting than partisan bullying and harassment to further political aims of an extremist and increasingly questionable political lobby by suppressing those pointing out what they are doing and what it means.

And you're funding this with your taxes. And the government know, but are hoping if they ignore it it will all just go away, and it's not like it's happening to anyone who really matters, and all the other parties are in favour of enthusiastically enabling this to happen more, bigger and faster.

It's bloody depressing, but pointing it out here has helped in the past few years. Glacially bloody slowly, but what gets said here does creep out. And for every woman who gets sufficiently angry to write to someone or say this out loud, it creeps a little bit further.

WarriorN · 12/11/2023 15:40

Rightsraptor · 12/11/2023 14:23

I've just read an article in the DT online (paywall, never did understand 12ft ladder or whatever it is called) stating that the woman in this case first knew about this investigation into her tweeting when Newcastle United Football Club told her it had suspended her membership. If I've read it right, that is. Gobsmacked.

She was interviewed by the police only last Friday. So the cops somehow knew she was an NUFC supporter, they told NUFC, NUFC told her that they had suspended her membership and only then did the police knock on her door.

Oh, and the investigation is now closed.

I really hope I've got that wrong, because this is not my country any longer. I do not want to live under this regime.

This is appalling and stasi like.

I am also wondering if they've (police and NUFC) have gone ott because of the recent high level bridge graffiti which was all reported in the local press (ITV iirc, who India Willoughby used to work for) as transphobic, though a large amount was not and similar to what the woman in question tweeted. As well as valid comments on the transition of children.

Rightsraptor · 12/11/2023 16:00

Ooh, Roddy Dunlop KC is wanting to get involved.

Wonderful!

catduckgoose · 12/11/2023 16:17

The NUFC season ticket revocation sounds like someone trolling. Is this really part of what happened?

JanesLittleGirl · 12/11/2023 16:25

catduckgoose · 12/11/2023 16:17

The NUFC season ticket revocation sounds like someone trolling. Is this really part of what happened?

According to the Telegraph, her membership has been suspended which means that she no longer has priority access to tickets.

WarriorN · 12/11/2023 16:26

Isn't that a massive deal? Don't you have to be on a huge waiting list for those (or is that something else?)

It feels very planned to report to NUFC

WarriorN · 12/11/2023 16:27

Or am I thinking of a season ticket...

AutumnCrow · 12/11/2023 16:30

WarriorN · 12/11/2023 16:26

Isn't that a massive deal? Don't you have to be on a huge waiting list for those (or is that something else?)

It feels very planned to report to NUFC

Yes, it's a big deal. She's been a Toon fan since childhood, apparently. Lives near St James's Park. She's lost out of tickets allocations now for a few games she wanted to attend.

PronounssheRa · 12/11/2023 16:32

WarriorN · 12/11/2023 16:26

Isn't that a massive deal? Don't you have to be on a huge waiting list for those (or is that something else?)

It feels very planned to report to NUFC

It feels very much targeted and vindictive

Rafalww · 12/11/2023 17:24

popebishop · 12/11/2023 14:47

No I don’t see your point at all I’m afraid. If you have exceptions to free speech, I.e free speech BUT… then guess what happens, the BUT becomes whatever those in positions of authority want the BUT to be. Sovereign is he who makes the exception.

So everyone needs to agree that something - any action, regardless of context - is either always legal, or always illegal, because someone might change the boundary? So, eg drinking any amount of alcohol at any point before driving should always be a crime, because someone might increase or decrease the limits?

Or is it just verbal and written speech you are talking about?

I don’t engage with people who are disingenuous. I can’t tell if you are being disingenuous or not so I will just assume you are not.

The legal alcohol driving limit is 80 milligrams per 100 milliltres of blood in the U.K. except in Scotland where it is 50. It’s a clearly defined thing that you are not allowed to do.

The equivalent with hate speech would be to say you’re allowed to drive but not allowed to drive drunk and then leaving it up to a highly politicised and ideological police force to decide who was and wasn’t under the influence of alcohol; after first interviewing the suspect about their political beliefs of course! Then, in this hypothetical scenario, I think you would be surprised to find that people with the correct beliefs could drive around pissed while those with the wrong beliefs would be done for drink driving when they were stone cold sober.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/11/2023 17:30

PronounssheRa · 12/11/2023 16:32

It feels very much targeted and vindictive

Very deliberate. And unbelievable that a major football club lets themselves be played by a transactivist like this. But then as we see - showcasing misogyny is always a feature of signing up to transactivism.