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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK

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Notaflippinclue · 04/11/2023 22:14

Why the fuck has MUMSNET cancelled her

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Userxyd · 05/11/2023 03:47

Debating rules apply? Why stop there- you know you'd rather a boxing match no rules apply.

AlphaTransWoman · 05/11/2023 03:48

Userxyd · 05/11/2023 03:47

Debating rules apply? Why stop there- you know you'd rather a boxing match no rules apply.

I'm a lady.

TheHappyCarrot · 05/11/2023 03:53

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Cancelledcurio · 05/11/2023 03:56

hi does anyone have a link to the Helen Joyce vs Big Fred Wallis debate please? T.I.A

Fooksticks · 05/11/2023 03:58

She's brave and is doing a great service. Not sure what peaked me, but having this board helped.

I've got 2 dd, one in high school, and we talk about this a lot. She had 12 yo friends saying they're trans. It's a shit fad, and they'll look back and see its just men doing men things to women, but that people like KJK showed it for what it is.

Userxyd · 05/11/2023 04:00

Lol. Ladies don't force themselves into other people's safe spaces by manipulating rules and liberal kindness. Ladies dont ignore people's genuine concerns and fears about aggressive and violent pseudo ladies. Ladies don't open doors for predators seeking vulnerable child and women victims.
Ladies stick together with other women to keep each other safe and protect children.
You're not a lady if you're a trans rights campaigner.
Trans people already had the freedom to live peacefully they just wanted no barriers between them and their target victims. They want to have their cake and rub women's noses in it, stealing their sports trophies and the women of the year awards designed to recognise women's achievements.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 05/11/2023 04:32

fedupandstuck · 05/11/2023 00:11

This all water very long under the bridge. I'm wondering why the OP has only just noticed.

I don't think KJK cares about posting on MN. She is vey much more than capable of expressing herself using her own platform on other social media sites.

KJK tweeted all the places shes been banned from -mn was on the list.

NotBadConsidering · 05/11/2023 04:33

AlphaTransWoman · 05/11/2023 03:31

Her vs me.

Any debating rules acceptable if equally applied. Any questions accepted. Free speech within the rule of law.

Shall we do this?

Oh please do. This would be glorious. Let’s start with your ridiculous stereotypical beliefs about boys’ and girls’ sport at school. Given you couldn’t answer questions about that on your own thread, I’d love to see this done live on YouTube.

SinnerBoy · 05/11/2023 04:59

But s he had a go, and it takes a lot of guts to go up against someone like Helen Joyce.

If by "had a go" you mean "got pissed and made a few incoherent wibbles," then I agree; Freddo had a go.

DogsAkimbo · 05/11/2023 05:40

AlphaTransWoman · 04/11/2023 23:58

As a trans rights activist, I would be delighted for her to have as much airtime as possible. The more people hear her express her views, the better.

Haha I suppose magical thinking is a character trait that tends to grow.

DogsAkimbo · 05/11/2023 05:42

AlphaTransWoman · 05/11/2023 00:09

I love freedom of speech. It makes it a lot easier for people to figure out who the bad guys are.

Freudian slip Grin

WickedSerious · 05/11/2023 09:02

AlphaTransWoman · 05/11/2023 03:31

Her vs me.

Any debating rules acceptable if equally applied. Any questions accepted. Free speech within the rule of law.

Shall we do this?

I don't think this is a good idea,what with you being so soft and fragile.

FreddysSquishyBollock · 05/11/2023 09:13

I doubt KJK has the time to debate some small, irrelevant, unknown nowadays.

4 years ago she would go on anything and everything to get around the ‘No debate’ bollocks, but she’s clearly now in the metaphorical Rolodex of various legacy and new media producers so doesn’t have to bother with the nobodies anymore.

Between just her 2 Triggernometry interviews and her Jordan Peterson interview she’s up to over 2 million views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpc2r4cBxQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jqO02-RWKLg

"Trans Women Aren't Women" - Posie Parker

Posie Parker is a women's rights campaigner and runs standingforwomen.com Support TRIGGERnometry:Paypal: https://bit.ly/2Tnz8yqhttps://www.subscribestar.com/...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpc2r4cBxQ

Ikeameatballlunch · 05/11/2023 09:15

Personally I think LangCleg should be first I the reinstate queue; I don't know if she wants back in either though.

fedupandstuck · 05/11/2023 09:17

@ZuttZeVootEeeVo ah, thanks for the background on this.

Catsanfan · 05/11/2023 09:21

AlphaTransWoman · 05/11/2023 00:09

I love freedom of speech. It makes it a lot easier for people to figure out who the bad guys are.

The Oxford dictionary definition of woman is 'An adult female human being'.

This is what KJK says. What precisely is the problem with this?

notatthisage · 05/11/2023 09:23

AlphaTransWoman · 05/11/2023 00:09

I love freedom of speech. It makes it a lot easier for people to figure out who the bad guys are.

Exactly. Freedom of speech is vital for society to differentiate good ideas from bad.

And that’s why you guys have refused to debate with us.

That’s why you use hyperbolic insults instead of arguments. You have a ‘throw enough mud at a wall and some of it will stick approach’. Problem is, whenever I meet someone who thinks they agree with you, when I tell them what our side actually is saying they reply, ‘ oh well, yes I agree with that and that and that’. Your side just doesn’t survive the light of day.

OceanicBoundlessness · 05/11/2023 09:25

FreddysSquishyBollock · 05/11/2023 09:13

I doubt KJK has the time to debate some small, irrelevant, unknown nowadays.

4 years ago she would go on anything and everything to get around the ‘No debate’ bollocks, but she’s clearly now in the metaphorical Rolodex of various legacy and new media producers so doesn’t have to bother with the nobodies anymore.

Between just her 2 Triggernometry interviews and her Jordan Peterson interview she’s up to over 2 million views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpc2r4cBxQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jqO02-RWKLg

Having listened to her on the Triggernometry podcasts, the most interesting thing to me has been how the host's understanding of the situation has evolved from speaking to her and others over time.

Catsanfan · 05/11/2023 09:28

@AlphaTransWoman In a way I would love to see you go head to head with KJK (not physically as that pesky old Y chromosome coupled with the testosterone would kick her ass) but in terms of in an interview setting she'd have you for breakfast.

Sadly, I have begun to think you are using us adult human females as a platform to launch some weird kind of fame. Even your username makes no bloody sense

AlisonDonut · 05/11/2023 09:31

AlphaTransWoman · 05/11/2023 03:31

Her vs me.

Any debating rules acceptable if equally applied. Any questions accepted. Free speech within the rule of law.

Shall we do this?

You can call her up on TERF Talk Tuesday next week and do it.

Go on, put your money where your mouth is.

Catsanfan · 05/11/2023 09:34

SinnerBoy · 05/11/2023 04:59

But s he had a go, and it takes a lot of guts to go up against someone like Helen Joyce.

If by "had a go" you mean "got pissed and made a few incoherent wibbles," then I agree; Freddo had a go.

I mean indeed, if Peter 'let's fuck children' Tatchell has to step in, you know you're done for

FreddysSquishyBollock · 05/11/2023 09:36

OceanicBoundlessness · 05/11/2023 09:25

Having listened to her on the Triggernometry podcasts, the most interesting thing to me has been how the host's understanding of the situation has evolved from speaking to her and others over time.

Yes!

KJK has persuaded a hell of a lot of ‘Be Kinders’ to reconsider their position, including the Triggernometry hosts!

Not long before the first KJK episode (Nov 2019) they interviewed India Willoughby (April 2019) who back then was trying to pretend to be a ‘Reasonable Trans Person’, and the Triggerpod boys were sympathetic bordering on sycophantic.
They’ve come a long way!

Here’s the IW episode: (43k views compared to KJKs 1.5 million).