Triggernometry Day the Delusions Died

[RethinkingLife]

It's in the context of the conflict in Middle East but it has wider key questions about philosophical perspectives on whether we can legislate or social policy our way out of conflicts or can only manage them.

I keep thinking about the political and philosophical perspectives. I've always hoped that conflict can be remediated away. I've often feared it can only be managed for limited periods of time over history and that Sowell is right, "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs".

I'm interested in this in the context of women's rights and living in a tolerant, pluralistic society despite inflammatory rhetoric from activists decrying a society in which people's values and human/civil rights are recognised as values and rights in a way that they aren't in many other countries.

I'm apprehensive about the increased likelihood of a desperate dystopia in which women will continue to be eradicated as a sex class and yet will mysteriously be allocated under-recognised caring responsibilities and lower pay.

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This is a feminism board, not a politics board.

Farage hasn't led UKIP for years. Currently it's led by Neil Hamilton (yes THAT Neil Hamilton).

Thatcher would not have had Farage in her cabinet. He is awful. Dodgy links to Russia, question over his financing, populist, anti-EU. He's not credible and you are scraping the barrel to imply he is.

And there is no need to resort to insults. I think it's very clear who is posting in good faith and who isn't. I've posted links to academic research discussing why UKIP and the BNP are similar. You've posted nothing except "bad faith, leftist" waffle.

Oh THAT Neil Hamilton… That kinda proves my point then doesn’t it, UKIP leaders are the sort of people who would have fitted in with 1980”s Tories before the Tories became scummy shitlibs. Because THAT Neil Hamilton was a whip for Thatcher and a Minister in John Majors government.

Anyway I think you have just proven the other posters right, debating with shitlib smear merchants is a waste of time because they don’t act in good faith, just give them a taste of their own medicine and smear them back. I’m going to take your advice now.

I would have to agree with this too actually, if it means what I think it means.

We don’t let neo-Nazis engage in public life, being in the BNP would likely exclude you from being in the police force or being a university lecturer or anyone else in a position of importance or influence. Communists should absolutely be treated like that too, because like neo-Nazis they are followers of an evil murderous ideology.

What’s this about the Labour Party in the past supporting PIE? What pie?

PIE - the Paedophile Information Exchange. They embedded themselves in the Establishment, and they got support from various politicians and the National Council for Civil Liberties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

Yes. Before he was forced to resign for taking bribes, and sparked an inquiry into "cash for questions".
In leaked emails, he was accused by UKIP's biggest donor, Arron Banks, of being a "corrupt old Tory".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Hamilton_(politician)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/the-hamiltons-sleazy-does-it-485611.html

He seems exactly the sort of leader a serious political party needs 😂

I think we should point out this was 50 years ago now. And affected all parties.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/25/police-and-politicians-turned-blind-eye-to-westminster-child-abuse-claims-report

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/02/thatcher-peter-hayman-named-paedophile-archives

I think my feelings about this is 1) its mainly men in power and 2) a lot of men are sexually incontinent and have fetishes/kinks/illegal sexual activities. So all parties end up being infected with perverts.

Part of the reason it's so important to maintain safeguarding is that protects against these men being able to abuse positions of power. Safeguarding and an understanding of grooming/abuse of power is really something that's been developed over the past 20 or 30 years as repeated scandals emerged (like PIE, Savile, Ian Huntly, Catholic church).

Although I think PIE is important to understand as a way of looking at how sex offenders can operate in plain sight and lobby to facilitate their activities, I don't think its particularly a feature of left vs right.

I'm not American as it happens.

And you are missing the point. I'm not talking about American politics, but responding to the way you are interpreting that research. That is, just because political parties, or political figures, have overlap in their voter base, does not mean that they are all that similar politically.

That could be the case, but that kind of overlap can happen for a lot of reasons. In some cases, like Sanders and Trump, they can be in many ways dissimilar, in fact many people would see them as being clearly opposed. There are really interesting questions about why both appeal to many of the same people, but it simply is not a case of same voters, same political philosophy.

You can post all the academic research you want but if you draw conclusions like that from it, maybe it's not the research people will dispute.

As far as PIE goes, I don't think being a pervert is confined to one political stripe, that's for sure.

I do think there is a reason the left was fooled into taking it up as a cause, however briefly. I think there is a reason there were even more extreme examples of that kind of ideology taking hold in places like Germany. And I think there are similar mechanisms at play now with sexual ideologies and the left. The left is very vulnerable to ideological capture.

Or to put it a different way, what we tend to see among conservatives and Tories are people protecting their friends, corruption, a blind eye, with perverts and abusers. What you don't see so much is an ideological infiltration saying this kind of behaviour is in fact good and should be institutionally protected and even promoted.

Being a pervert isn’t constrained to any political strip but being sympathetic to pedos and advocating for them does seem to be very much a left wing thing. That doesn’t mean that most of the left are pedo advocates, it just means that most pedo advocates are on the left politically. Do you disagree?