Butches against transpohobia

[Catsanfan]

I saw a woman wearing a T shirt saying 'Butches against transphobia' today. It astounds me that some lesbians would think that way. I wonder what she would do if presented with a penis on a date?

This is deluded.

In 2 generations people will still know that men are not women and there are times when this is very important to keep women safe.

No, Stephannee, in a generation the teenage and 20-something women and girls who identify as "cool girls" or "trans inclusive" or "non-binary" will have experienced pregnancy, childbirth, pregnancy-related discrimination in employment, been abandoned by the fathers of their children and been left literally holding the baby, had to foot 100% of the nursery bill for their preschoolers while their non paying ex lives the life of riley, waited years for a diagnosis of endometriosis or surgery to fix injuries sustained when giving birth, seen their careers stagnate due to child care responsibilities whilst their male partners or ex partners go chasing pay rises and promotions, been through the menopause and seen how society dismisses older women as irrelevant and past it.

The likelihood is that when these young girls and women have spent a few more decades actually living as a woman, they will start to understand why living as a woman is something no trans woman has ever done, that sex based oppression is not something you can identify out of, and that women's rights are not in fact as secure as they thought they were.

Then they'll be the new second wavers, and the next generation of young things will be telling them they don't know anything and their views are irrelevant because they've got one foot in the grave anyway.

Those male hominids minded to have done that probably lost out on the 'survival of the fittest' who-ha millions of years ago.

@lifeturnsonadime Similar story here. My DD at 13/14 was adamant that TWAW and we had some disagreements about it at the time. For a while she said she was lesbian, then bisexual and then non-binary. We nodded along and said ‘ok sweetheart, thank you for telling us’. She’s 18 now and has changed her tune a fair bit. She no longer identified as NB, lesbian or bi. I’d say she’s still trying to sit in the middle ground, is very much ‘be kind’ and ‘live and let live’, has gay and lesbian friends as well as trans and NB friends.

But she is concerned about some of the trans and NB friends and their mental health and observes that many of the problems they had before are still present even after they have come out and been accepted warmly by their peers and families. She has noticed that these individuals seem to take up a lot of their friends’ time and attention and can make quite a lot of demands on others.

And she absolutely believes single sex spaces are necessary. I don’t know how she squares that with the behaviour of her trans friends who I am certain use spaces designed for the opposite sex. I doubt she would challenge it, unfortunately. Would probably just quietly feel uncomfortable and not mention it.

If everyone's opinion matters, why is the opinion that women don't have penises, which is not only an opinion shared by the vast majority of people but also not an opinion at all and actually a fact, so roundly dismissed by people like you?

LGB Alliance is around 80% LGB, according to the best data they have on their membership.

Gender critical may well be the default in a few more generations

Gender restrictive is so old school - encouraging people to change their bodies to fit gender expectations is horrific and the current approach to transgender will be seen to be a sticking plaster attempt on a flawed society

Aside from the fact that your post is terribly ageist and implies that you just need to wait for us old codgers to cark it I doubt it is accurate. In Australia the plebiscite was decidedly infavour of marriage equality By around 60 % of the population.

Are people really against lgbt rights in the uk?

Which particular rights ?

I'm fairly convinced from their posts that Stephannee is no spring chicken themselves, so good luck with that.

Only the "right" for male people to be housed in women's prisons, compete in women's sports or use women's toilets and changing rooms if they still have a penis, as far as I can tell.

None of which concerns LGB people.

Oh the male double rapist was "only" put in the woman's prison while waiting to find out where he was going to be doing his full sentence. That makes it ok then don't it... 😡

All I see is a load of anti women crap on here again.

It's not anti LGB to say no to men.

Absurd, isn't it?

Why was there ever a question mark over which prison he would be going to?

It's about time we made it illegal for sex offenders to change their name, their gender or anything else about their identity.

Yea it is! I remember working on a case for years ago where the client was from Iran. Client was definitely gay but had asked to seek to transition as part on appeal. I explained that this wouldn't make much difference to his case but it was explained that transgender women had a much better time and were accepted in Iran. I explained that the UK was not like that. However, that was 15 years ago. Things have changed.

Let's be real there wasn't a question mark over which prison he would go to. He was going to go into the women's. It just happened 9 days after that new gender law that JK Rowling put on full blast and it blew up so much and went viral in the news that politicians had to intervene and send him to the men's trying to save face.

Yup.

I'm glad it blew up in their faces.

Why does no one have the balls to say, "No, you cannot identify as a woman if you have used your penis to rape women, the two things are incompatible. Now off you fuck to the men's estate."

But would you have been suprised to have gone to bed with your boyfriend for the first time and find out that your boyfriend had a vagina.

You assumed your boyfriend had a penis and that is a reasonable assumption to make. What if they didn't?

It would be interesting to do a nationwide poll to find out how many people have ever got naked with a new partner for the first time to discover a vagina when they were expecting a penis or a penis when they were expecting a vagina.

I'm imagining the number of people who have experienced this is probably incredibly low.

So you are happy with rapists in women's prisons. OK. And do you think Lia Thomas has an advantage against his, sorry her, competitors?

The "case by case basis" that operated in Scotland, had somehow resulted in double the amount of MTF trans prisoners in the female estate, as a proportion of all of them, than England.

Could you get any more "she's" and "hers" into your post about a male rapist @Stephannee ??
Interesting username, btw 🤮

If someone claims to be an atheist, but they also claim to believe in Zeus and Apollo etc., are we allowed to police the meaning of "atheism" or would that be some terrible act of gatekeeping people's spirituality?

Yes, I thought that was a rather unfortunate choice of username too @StarlightLime.

Could you maybe get that link, I'd be quite interested to read it and the data it's based off because it absolutely flies in the face of all current polling which shows that the younger generations, especially the boys, are increasingly conservative in their opinions on gender identity and (unfortunately) homosexuality. There are signs that there is some very real anger brewing in the kids that are being exposed to this ideology. So if you've got a link to some actual data showing the opposite, I'd be incredibly interested to see it.

Lesbians particularly love it when blokes argue on their behalf, I hear.